You have in your possession the poster child for the “Stupid Vegan” movement. I swear, I’ve gotten into so many arguments with these ‘geniuses’ over the nutritional benefits of a balanced (read: Meat Eating) diet versus the inherent deficiencies found in a vegan diet and they wind up siting the same basic sounding basically the same basic talking points:

People were never meant to eat meat, our canines aren’t large enough. Eating meat is a learned behavior and we did not evolve to consume the flesh of living animals and eating meat is a learned behavior.

At which point I scoff, say something like “You’re must be joking, right?” and then point out that we evolved as scavenging omnivores. Our ancestors ate anything they could get their grubby mitts on including: roots, bugs, shoots, carrion, fresh meat, and probably each other since cannibalism isn’t unheard of even now. The FACT is that if we were meant to be vegan we’d have NO canines at all, a much larger digestive track, additional stomachs, and given our relative brain sizes we’d be about four times as large as we are now.

At that point the conversation usually devolves because vegans are the true believers of the vegetarian movement – don’t question their dietary decision, it’s like a religion to them and you don’t poke fun at another man’s god and expect them to take in stride.

Many-many years ago, there was a novelty song on Dr Demento titled “Hitler was a Vegetarian”. It began with the following spoken intro:

“There are many good reasons to be a vegetarian.
Parading your Moral Superiority isn’t one of them.”

Hmm. Well, you can talk about how you think veganism turns you into a malnourished, helpless wretch all you like. But I don’t think Mac Danzig would agree with you. (Look him up.)

I also adhere to a strict vegetarian, near-vegan diet, spend a lot of time exercising and compete in martial arts competitions. I am by no means unhealthy.

Personally, I am a UK medical student (a real one doing a real medicine degree) and I think the vast majority of chiropracty including subluxations et al. is quackery and parapsychology, and your alternative health profession is voodoo, sugar pill, placebo nonsense. As such, I and many others wouldn’t give your opinions on nutrition and health even the smallest amount of time of the day.

Might be worth a thought.

Ugh, will you give us vegans a break already? You know, they say that all blondes are dumb….. K, I shouldn’t go there because I’m vegan and I’m blonde so I’m screwed then. Anyways, just trying to make a point. I think that it is definitely more difficult to eat properly when you are vegan, however it is not impossible and if done right a vegan diet is the best diet there is because it is not only beneficial to the person but also to the world. It takes a lot of knowledge about food combination and preparations, you’ve gotta make time to cook, and read a lot of labels and ask a lot of questions, but it’s so worth it!

It’s not impossible to eat properly as a vegan, but it is difficult and very few do it for a variety of reasons. Humans are omnivores. Good luck to anyone who tries veganism. you will need it.

Mac Danzig has had way too many blows to the head to be credible…..

Anyone who participates in a sport where brain damage and massive head injuries are par for the course isn’t much of a role model.

World-wide agriculture has taken/cleared/destroyed trillions of acres of habitat for animals, birds and insects in ever increasing leaps and bounds. Vast fields of wheat, corn, soybeans etc. have replaced native plants, trees and grasses many species need to survive. Crops are treated with pesticide to kill insects, which reduces food available for birds and small mammals who eat insects, which reduces food for larger mammals who eat them. How can humans who exist solely on a plant based diet consider themselves morally superior to those who eat a varied omnivore diet? Ultimately, the only difference is where in the food chain the impact of their consumption takes place. Vegetarians eat foods whose production most impact wildlife, most omnivores reduce that impact by eating domestic animals/birds specifically raised for that purpose, and that wouldn’t exist otherwise. Wildlife or domestic, the end result is the same, animals die so that people can eat.

I’ve read the posts in this part and in part one, and I must say that it’s been a waste of my time.

Both the vegans and non-vegans who have posted in part one and part two are behaving immaturely. Grow up!

“Vast fields of wheat, corn, soybeans etc. have replaced native plants, trees and grasses many species need to survive.”

Ann: you are correct. But the vast majority of those grains and soybeans are fed to meat animals. Is this news to you? Apparently so.

Your entire premise is deeply flawed.

Fartygirl, you don’t know what the big deal is about vegans, then you go on and say that your diet is the healthiest.

What annoys me about vegans is the way they keep pushing their diet on people even though it has been proven that being vegan long term is harmful to your health.

I’ll try and be as diplomatic as possible. I support people’s right to eat what they want, some people eat goliath birdeater tarantulas for crying out loud. But I take issue with many of the self righteous and almost religious stances that certain vegans and PETA-types.

First of all, Homo Sapiens is an omnivorous generalist feeder. There is no denying this. We have predatory instinct. A diet rich in protein and iron played a big part in the evolution of our brain. People comment on our lack of large canines, but some of our closest cousins(the chimps) have roughly the same dentition and also partake in hunting and flesh eating.

If you dispute this, can you tell me why EVERY indigenous culture in EVERY continent or island in EVERY part of the world is omnivorous? You have the guile to throw red paint at people outside of Burger King, but do you have what it takes to throw paint on, say, natives of the Kamchatka peninsula for eating seal and fish? Which brings me to my next point. One thing I notice about many vegans and angry animal rights activists is that they tend to be privileged middle and upper class caucasians from well-to-do developed countries such as the US, Canada, Australia, UK, etc. These folks have little understanding of what it means to scratch out a living to survive, so it’s highly dubious for them to speak on behalf of everyone else. Most people on this planet don’t have the luxury of popping on down to your local organic vegan market to buy fresh bean curd from some girl with dreadlocks and a nose ring. I have yet to see self-righteous vegans in the Philippines or Brazil or Kenya. The first vegan culture is the Jain religion of India, a pacifist people who only eat plants that already dead, and unsurprisingly they have few followers.

It’s your body and your choice, but don’t try to sideline or ignore your ecological footprint if you don’t eat meat. Trust me, you’re a part of it too. Animals DID die for you to enjoy your soy taco.

An informed statement from a physician.

Response to NY Times Story: Death by Veganism

http://drmcdougall.com/response_to_ny_times.htm

If you live in the United States, then most likely your diet is completely shit. Most of the foods available in this country are garbage, nutritionally speaking. Your typical vegan, not necessarily all vegans, is more aware of the nutritional short falls of the food readily available and will take measures to acquire adeqaute nutrition. Factory farm produced meat is a gateway to heart disease, cancer, and quite possibly mental degradation.

Make all the jokes you want about vegans… In the end, vegans may just have the last laugh as you lay dying from symptoms of your chosen lifestyle. Acutally, I’m joking. Most vegans are not as vicious and cruel as you knuckleheads.

Oh and a final note to the dim wit who quoted Leviticus: I suggest you read the entire thing, especially in regards to what is allowed to be eaten. If violating the edicts of Leviticus is sufficient grounds for damnation, it seems that 90%+ in the United States are bound for hell.

There is so much falsely informative alternative reality,(did I say “reality”, I meant to say lifestyle), propaganda around, that it’s commonplace for people limited in their scope of scientifically established knowledge to be incapable of differentiating between actual factual reality based truth and the junk science promoted by quacks.

One can find quacks actively promoting unscientifically sound nonsense everywhere, even in established and reputable institutions like universities and in the medical fields.

One might wonder and speculate about why the dramatic rise in heart disease in our culture corresponds to the introduction of and more frequent use of margarine as an alternative to butter.

Personally I would consider myself a 2nd order vegetarian. That is, I wait for the vegetable matter to be properly converted to a more highly edible form by what I would call a 1st order vegetarian, such as a cow, then I eat the cow.

That’s right Christopher,

Often the foundation of the belief is patently false or simply rather unsubstantiated by any sound factual support, yet extensive extrapolations based on such claims can reach a point where it’s nearly impossible to determine the original base premise from where it’s derived.

But, other than that, vegetarian diets tend to lack balanced proteins, the minerals are often in forms hard to assimilate by the body, and this often leads to over eating as a means of compensating in order to obtain complete nutrition through a strict vegetarian diet.

Often one notices many vegetarians are pale and scrawny, and nearly as often one notices in other vegetarians that they are overweight.

It’s not impossible to create a balanced not meat diet, but it’s much simpler to include some form of animal protein, and if ethics are the reason for the non eating of meat, milk and eggs are a very convenient source of essential nutrients.

The problem is that much of the promotion of alternative life concepts are are agenda driven by motives of political power and or profit. Researchers are often paid to prove preconceived notions, however baseless these ideas are to the facts, and are required discard any evidence that contradicts the expected outcome of the research.

The shift from formal educations to informal has made people much more susceptible to erroneous beliefs and thinking methods.

Often one can see that most arguments for the non-conventional are adrift with logical fallacies, if one is knowledgeable in debate logic. Groundless premises require circular logic to maintain the conclusions based on their conceptual origins.

There is often a bit of truth here and there that gets included in these ideas, yet again the supportive logic is construed to falsely imply that, because these various obvious truths have been found, all is true.

Anyway. You just can’t believe anything people say about nutrition, unless you know the facts and fortunately for us, the USDA has compiled a tremendous resource of factual data on nutrition and it should be a requirement for study by anyone seeking nutritional information. Another fine source of valid information is the Merck Manual.

Reading the hate comments between this page and the previous entry entitled “Stupid Vegans”, it’s not hard to see just how stupid that Vegans really are.

I am married to a vegetarian myself(the worst kind: animal rights vegetarian), and she constantly attempts to find some reason to convince me that a Vegan diet is “better for you and for the environment”. Yet, she’s on multiple supplements for various deficiencies, she is incredibly pale, and I(pretty balanced diet, meat about 2-3 times a week) don’t take any pills to balance out what could be missing from my diet, and I don’t look like I could melt if sunlight touched me.

I also tell her to show me proof from a source that hasn’t been coerced to create “studies” by PETA. She has yet to provide any.

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Yep, take one persons post an make a generalization on an entire population…..how did you become a doctor?

You sure are the picture of health and you make me want to not be a vegan anymore… oh wait your fat one in the picture never mind, lol

Why don't you look up the women that just turned 108. Guess what? She's vegan. And how about the 5000 year old tribe that's still vegan? You're a doctor not a nutritionist? I really hope no one follows your diet advise cause I know how much a doctor learns about nutrition… And it's not much.

You show this unedited in order to demonstrate that no vegans can spell and all meat-eaters can?

duh…after so much info she still picks on one statement and uses it as an example. Oh yes, the one example she has is the vegan parents who starved their baby to death. umm…. heres a list of similar titles that she could make for meat eaters: from real articles

a mother who has killed and eaten her own baby… 'Smart meat eater tries new healthy baby dish'
Another killed her child for interrupting her computer game that too farmville! 'Smart meat eaters makes a wise choice''
One mom cut her child with a sword, a knife and a rod, ' Smart meat eater practices butchery skills?”

Oh I also forgot the world is full of people dying of diseases, but if ppl became healthy by eating healthy…HOW the F… will these 'doctors' make money'…

well anyways if this 'doc' is Representative of meat eaters…. Im glad i chose a vegan life!! have to admit, this is one of The silliest article on the topic i have read so far… tho on an average the meat eaters arguments are fairly corny!

Vegans are stupid.

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Alright, obviously this woman is not the smartest, but believe it or not, eating meat does not necessarily make you fat or unhealthy. Quite the opposite in fact. And no. Heart disease and coronary artery disease are not caused by meat, as I keep hearing so many vegetarians and vegans preach. I’m not against either lifestyle, I just want to make sure everyone’s informed.