Sarah Palin Topless Photos Revealed!–UPDATED

August 30, 2008 / 11:12 am • By Dr. Melissa Clouthier

Nowhere else on the web will you find what you find here. Scroll down for more excitement or just Lefty insanity revealed.

It’s already vicious. And they’re going after her experience, but here is the best response via an Insty commenter:

Reporter: MR. McCain, how do you respond to charges that Palin has no experience?
McCain: If Obama had as much experience as Ms. Palin, he’d be ready for the VP slot, too.

The Anchoress notes the Obama’s ungenerous spirit demonstrated by his initial response to Palin’s candidacy and also how he’s treated Hillary Clinton. Like the Anchoress, I’m happy to have a candidate who is a working class woman. I am so damn sick of the effete, elite, Ivy league snobs telling Americans how they know more than you. MaxedOutMama feels the same and had her first political orgasm (my husband was a little disturbed at my enthusiasm).

Finally, someone who’s one of us. Finally a political woman who is like the women I know in real life. A woman who wouldn’t have hysterics if offered deer meat, a woman who hasn’t acquired the weary, traumatized Ivy ennui and distaste for real life and real people. A woman who understands it’s a problem if truckers can’t make a living and people can’t stay warm in the winter. A woman who’s shriekingly Middle America and middle class, and would sit down and have a cup of coffee with her plumber. A woman who’d date a plumber.

Yep. And I like her husband, too. He’s hot. He’s a real, manly man. He hunts, fishes, works oil rigs, snowmobiles and takes care of his family. And as “first dude” he’ll be taking care of the family so his wife can serve her country. So, they are a progressive family.

The fact that these people are normal and average will bring the hate. Remember when I was in Key West and I heard a woman sneer that “breeders shouldn’t be allowed here”? Yeah, well, the breeder-hating folks, Gaia-worshiping, gun-hating, church-loathing folks will come out in force. MOM went over to the DU and found this:

And just watch them tying themselves in knots here – the vitriol is spattering everywhere:
24. ohmygod. Calm down.
Stop attacking her because she is a mother or a female. Stop with the whore and bitch comments.
Talk about the issues. Dang–where are all the progressives?
A progressive responds:
31. I will attack her for whatever reason suits the purpose of making her look bad to my audience.

When I am among secular people I will attack her for being a religious zealot. When I am among people from church, I will attack her for being of a heterodox denomination. When I am among liberals I will attack her for her conservative views. When I am among conservatives I will attack her for her for anything they are prove to view as shortcomings in ideology. When I am among women, I will deride the obvious pandering of her nomination and the fact that McCain must not think much of womens’ intelligence, when I am among conservative men who dislike women in authority, I will rub their noses in it.

If I can attack her for opposite reasons over the course of an afternoon, I will consider it an accomplishment.

Same goes for Johnny Boy.

Sexism, thy name is progressive. Of course, conservative women, especially in the blogosphere know this. Most have been subjected to vile treatment, myself included. Eh, whatever. Sarah Palin is tough. She can weather it. Another tough woman, Michelle Malkin, is thrilled with the choice. So are her readers. Both women mess things up for liberals–married, kids, career, conservative politics. It’s all too much. Women, especially, must fit into a category and when they don’t, they pay.

You’re going to hear about, if you haven’t already, about “Troopergate”. Might as well know the truth, because you won’t get it from the MSM.

And what you won’t find here, and I know this is disappointing, is naked pictures of Sarah Palin. Ace gave me the idea for the headline when he posted this:

Lefties are furiously scouring the internet for Sarah Palin’s old position papers on NAFTA.

Just kidding. They say they want to keep the debate elevated and discuss the issues, but that is, of course, like so much of what they say, an utter lie. Mitigated only by the fact they’re so self-deluded about their own righteous virtue and lofty intellectualism they almost believe it themselves.

So what are they looking for?

Well, check out the search which just landed on my site. And the various lefty sites encouraging searching in this direction.

That about sums up the Left. Jeff Goldstein, ever salient, had me laughing as usual:

See, this is why journos in the bag for Obama should await the royal talking points before opening their dullard yaps.

But that was only the warm-up. Here’s the gist:

But in making this argument — that a 72-year old candidate is almost certain to kick while in office — what you have further done is begun alienating aging boomers who will soon be McCain’s age, questioning their worth and viability, throwing into doubt their general competence.

– Which means Roberts has managed to 1) highlight the inexperience of the Dem candidate for president by going after the inexperience of the Republican candidate for vice president; 2) has managed to make an implied argument that the inexperience of a woman is somehow more dangerous than the inexperience of a man, or a man of (half) color; and 3) has managed to make an ageist argument that could, at some level, get aging Dem Boomers to believe that their party thinks of them as prop voters, necessary for victory, but after that, to be set afloat on an ice chunk and allowed to drift off serenely into the great political beyond.

Add to that the calculus that many Hillary supporters will be thinking, “that should have been Hillary!” and what we have here is a perfect storm of identity politics for the Dems to try to steer their shiny yacht through safely.

The Lefties are crazed because Sarah Palin is a she, a mother, a conservative, and has the nerve to have a mind of her own, a job of her own, and an actual maverick. Plus, she’s hot. That’s the final straw.

No topless pictures, alas, but if there were, it would help, not hurt her. Be careful what you look for Dems, you might just find it.

Pictures here doing scandalous things like visiting troops in Germany, standing with her family in front of a mountain, you know, bad stuff.

Update: Ed Morrissey smells desperation. I smell something.

Updated:
Here’s the essence of it, from Ted Bronson:

The Left, capital “L”, (and can tell you much I HATE having to group the democrats, the environuts, the commies, socialists, and progressives, the feminists, and the gottdammed ufologists into a single label) has been telling us for decades that a woman can do anything, go anywhere, be everything to all and still be a woman. As long as she happens to be a liberal and conform to their agenda. It must be some kind of special hell to them to see a successful woman who isn’t. For decades, THEY have said that women shouldn’t have to stay home and take care of the babies if they don’t want to. Hire a nanny. Force your office to provide day care. Hell, you don’t even need to have a husband to have a baby, but it shouldn’t keep you from pursuing your own dreams or career. Paraphrasing something I heard recently: you shouldn’t be punished with a baby. So instead of standing up and saying “Wow, Sister. You sure are strong to have five kids and a career”, I have heard all day about how she shouldn’t have continued her career since her fifth baby was born with DS. I have heard women, WOMEN, saying that she should have aborted the baby when she found out it was going to be born with Down’s but since she didn’t, she should have had the grace to step out of public life to take care of it full time. I have heard folks today saying that there is no way she should even consider public life with a child that young, even if the boy didn’t have Down’s. These were all folks from Left saying this. The same ones who wouldn’t recognize hypocrisy if it French Kissed their grandmother.

The Left are the same ones who said Clarence Thomas and Gen. Powell were sell-outs to their race.

The Left are the same ones who ran New Orleans and Louisiana for generations and did nothing but beg for help after Katrina when their HARDER hit neighbors in Mississippi were taking care of themselves, while at the same time William Jefferson, D-LA, had National Guard troops haul his ass out to his house to collect $90,000 in cash that he still hasn’t explained.

The Left are the same ones who scream for alt energy but won’t let transmission lines go up.

The Left are the same ones who voted for the war before they voted against it.

You idiots on the Left are so wrapped up in the idea of power for it’s own sake, so that you can enforce your own twisted will on the rest of the populace, that you can’t even see you are using the same argument against Gov. Palin that you would have burned flags, bras, and effigies about forty years ago.

If there were only naked pictures. Gun pictures. They’re almost as good.

More at Amused Cynic: “Joe ‘Pitbull’ Biden meet Sarah “Barracuda” Palin”

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  • Dave Farley

    God Bless you. In the days of so many cynics from both the right and left wing, there seems to be a lack of vision on both sides. I am proud to be a liberal and in the past 7 years we have been under attack, as being portrayed by those right of center as being insensitive and unpatriotic; I never stopped being Patriotic and my faith in common sense and human potential will help people like us to help make people like you, me and Barack and Michelle, victorious this fall and a chance to rest easy.

  • God Bless the USA

    Thanks Darcie. I’m doing OK. Been in remission about two years. The Leukemia will come back. When it does, more Chemo. When that becomes ineffective, we look into a Bone Marrow Transplant. No matching relatives, so it will be tough when the time comes. That’s life. My 85 year old Father, who by the way is in remission from stage four Lymphoma, always told me “There is always somebody better off than you and there is always somebody worse off than you”. He is a wise man.
    I am grateful to live in this wonderful country and it infuriates me when half our population thinks that Socialism will somehow improve thir lives. Ignorance on this scale is beyond my comprehension.
    Anyway, I’m the luckiest guy walking, and I appreciate your kind thoughts. Thanks and God Bless.

  • God Bless the USA

    Gee Dave really big of you to pick on a 17 year old girl. BTW – Governor Palin would only be a hypocrite if she forced her Daughter to have an abortion. Wouldn’t want her punished witha baby, now would we? How about you and all your liberal friends have a book reading party and look up the word “hypocrite” in the dictionary.
    P.S. Did you buy the Daily Kos story about Governor Palin’s daughter giving birth to Trey?
    You Liberals are one classy bunch.

  • God Bless the USA

    Dave Farley, your almost as classy as poster “Dave”. My reply to him goes double for you.

  • ChadK

    by God Bess the USA
    People flying here to get surgery that the Gubmint there won’t approve. They have Universal Health Care in Cuba. It’s a hop, skip and a jump from here. Anybody lining up for that? Didn’t think so.

    You conveniently omit that there are travel restrictions preventing any excursions from the United States to Cuba.

    But hey, who said accuracy was ever needed to drive home your point?

    Here’s something you likely won’t agree with, and potentially make your brain hurt.

    http://www.canadians.org/publications/CP/2006/summer/european.html

  • ChadK

    by God Bess the USA
    People flying here to get surgery that the Gubmint there won’t approve. They have Universal Health Care in Cuba. It’s a hop, skip and a jump from here. Anybody lining up for that? Didn’t think so.

    You conveniently omit that there are travel restrictions preventing any excursions from the United States to Cuba.

    But hey, who said accuracy was ever needed to drive home your point?

    Here’s something you likely won’t agree with, and potentially make your brain hurt.

    http://www.canadians.org/publications/CP/2006/summer/european.html

  • God Bless the USA

    Mrs. Grapevine – Thanks for your kind thoughts
    Don’t have time to respond your reply to my original letter right now. Let’s just agree to disagree for the time being.
    One point though, I look at President Bush and John McCain as RINOS. I agree with both men about 70% of the time, but I disagree with the modern Democrat Party 99% of the time. My friends call me a Conservative Libertarian.
    The CONSTITUTION above all separates this great country from every other country in the world, and I feel blessed that our Forefathers
    had the wisdom and bravery to offer real Change. Your Obama is a Marxist, and I don’t support anything he stands for. He is the same old, same old. I’ve been around a long time and I’ve seen them all. ANOTHER JIMMY CARTER IS THE LAST THING THIS COUNTRY NEEDS.

  • davis

    i dont ever want to get famous.

  • Robert K. Froese

    To By God Bless U.S.A.
    What’s with all this God Bless stuff?
    Please note that I agree with you comments alluding to the bravery and forethought of your founding forefathers (I am not American)
    So why not embrace the constitution and and get rid of the bums in Washinton who continue to hold it in disdain for the benefit of their special interests, and religeous zealots?

    Your constitutional fore fathers were crystal clear on the need for the separation of church and state. Now more than ever with the development of your pluralistic society, and tthe benefits your derive from your vast young immigrant population, your fore fathers have been proven right.

    So take back your fifth amendment and show some respect for the intended interpretaion of the second.

    You pledge allegience to your flag and allow your leaders to desparage what it stands for.

    God bless America

    FYI

    I am a Canadian. I wrecked my roatator cuff, and am flying to good ole usa for some surgery which is free in my country, but in effect not accessible because i’m on a one year plus waiting list.

    But hereis the twist.

    I fly to San Diego, and am driven 20 minutes south to Tijuana, to an American owned facility
    staffed by Mexican surgeons, who are happy to provide professional services to Americans (saving the H.M.O. tons of money)and an occasional Canadian Liberal.

    I am sure Barack and his cohorts will not model universal health care on the Canadian model, you can do way better.

  • God Bless the USA

    Hey Chad. That’s it? A friend of mine went to Cuba last year. Just flew through Mexico City. Big Wup. If you wanted the best Socialist Medical Care money could buy, isn’t it worth a stop in Mexico City on the way to paradise?
    Like I said, a hop, skip and a jump.

    I’ll check out your link. Thanks.

  • God Bless the USA

    Robert, I have some friends that have gone to TJ for care as well.
    As far as the Separation of Church and State, it is not as clear as you imply. In fact, that phrase does not exist in the Constiution. It came up in a Supreme Court ruling out of thin air, just like he “right to privacy” term made up when in the Roe v Wade Ruling. Activist Judges making stuff up, a Liberal wet dream.
    The separation you are speaking of was to prevent the GovMint from imposing a State sanctioned Religion, not unlike the Church of England. It sounds like you are promoting the Libertarian ideal, which means the entire Socialist Platform of the Democrat Party should be scrapped. I would welcome that day

  • Robert K. Froese

    God Bless
    Do you have a good health insurance plan?
    FYI: The reason that so many American cars were built in Canda for so many years was mostly because the Big Three Auto makers did not have to provide health care for their Canadian employees. That more than offset other cost differentials between the two countries.

    That will all change if the Democrats get elected, and follow through on their commitments to scrap NAFTA.

    At this moment its all about winning the election, and don’t know where they will find the money to implement things like universal health care without first reducing provider costs (hugely), and means breaking shins.

    There is no question that it can be done, but Obama will have to do a whole lot more than just eliminate tax breaks for the rich. There is only one place he can get it, and that is reducing military expenditurres.

    U.S.A. spends more per capita on the military than any other developed country (many times over). He can pull out of Iraq, but those forces need to be re-deployed to Afghanistan or that mission will be an utter failure.

    The British parliamenntary system is very different from your republic. I do not know the details, but generally, the British Monarch is purely symbolic; it has no executive power whatsoever. The Church of England is religious head of the Monarcy, not the Parliament. Parlianment is completely separated from Church.
    All the executive power in our country (Canada) rests with elected members of parliament, whereas in your country executive powers rest with the presidentially appointed exec. branch vetted by Congress, or something like that. Our Canadian system of parliament is modeled after the British.

    At the end of the day we’re not that much different from your system of government. Your pres has an incredible amount of exec. power. So does our Prime Minister via his small circle of appointed M.P.’s (Cabinet)

    Both of us can throw the bums out of office at election time, but in between we’re largely victims of their decisons (or beneficiaries).
    The difference between our countries is largely cultural. Our laws are determined largely by convention, and our political leaders historicaly have always ignored the religious leaders of the day, and basically written it out of our constitution and bill of rights. Any political leader that takes his direction from the pope would be turfed out of office. We allow him to run around in his pope mobile in the same way we escort the Queen when she comes to visit us, but that’s the end of it.

    Our society is conditioned to the notion of group rights, versus your pre-occupation with individual freedoms, and the pursuit of happines on your own individual account. Yours is militarist nation, if you disagree, consider your defense budget. This may have to do with your civil war which was horrendously violent, and followed by the Boston Tea Party.

    You also haave far and away the largest jail populatin of any nation on earth I think (per capita). Your gun violence is far far above that of either Canda or Britian on per population basis. We have way more restrictive gun ownership regulations than you do, but that alone does not account for the differential in “gun crimes”. Hand guns are being smuggled into this country by the thousands. We are awash in guns, and criminals won’t hand in their guns no matter how many laws you pass.

    Ameicans would never accept the level of taxation that endured by Canadians they would revolt). Canadians will pay, but like you we don’t like to see hard eanrned dollars wasted.

    Fact is that our “group right” mentality has done no more in protecting or promoting the preservation of ethnic cultures than “The American way”. Statistically individual groups that wish to protect and promote their cultures do so, and thos that don’t care dont. We have many examples such as your Irish population in Minnesota.

    God Bless, you and I will never agree on issues that we glibly describe in terms of right and left. You and I would read the same constitution and walk away with different conclusions. We would read the same bible and walk away with opposite conclusions. The only religion I subscribe to is based on how we treat those around us that are less privileged than I am and / or less able to take care of themselves (how well I take care of them i.e, love your fellowman)either personally or as a society.

    Thocracies frighten me, so the prospect of and an Amrican Congress dominated by the religious right is terrifying. They will shift the balance of your Supreme Court and alter your constitution in favour of more fundamentalist and religiously biased legislation. I’m guessing you are equally frightened by the prospect of the revers, i.e. a suprem court shifting in the opposite direction.

    My view is that the escalating societal violence is caused largely by economic desparity between the rich and the poor, and the lack of a social network to improve the lot fo the poor. That is no different in our country, except that our network provides a little more. Neither of us will ever eliminate crime and the need for a police force.

    I did watch a part of your current Republican Convention, and what struck me outside of the wooden poles addresses, was the almost complete absence of any visible minorities in attendance. Almost no African Americans, Asians, or Aboriginals. Everyone is white, middle income, singing from the same song sheet. The only Agenda was one of “Us or else, and the only thing on the Agenda was the flag and guns.

    so that is my perspective, and you will say rah rah.

    I will fight till the last dog dies to keep the religeous right out of our Parliament. You fight till the last dog dies to bring them in.

    You will allude to theHoly Bible, and I will allude to Shakespeare namely “Discretin is the better part of valour” and to quote another source Societal Peace is worth what it costs.

    We will not reconcile, so we will have religeous crusade, eccept instead of sword we have way better weapons.

    Only problem for both of us, is that we will plunder our way to environmental extinction, and our wars will be academic.

    The planet earth have been around for billions of years, and will survive, the species will not.

    Enuff Enufff

    and God Bless Amrica

    You and I will never agree on

  • Robert K. Froese

    correction:
    the Boston Tea Party preceded the civil war, an inadvertent error on my part.

    I also did not refer to slavery because American Cosnstitution originally treated them like chattel. Slavery was sanctioned by the Bible, and not invented by the Americans. and it was the Britsh that exported slavery to their American colonies.

  • Robert K. Froese

    One more correction last one I promise.

    I spell better than I type, so rely on spell check which is not part of this blog software.

    sorry

    rkf

  • Ben

    Just saying, you guys really scare me. Palin was gov. of a state not even in the continental U.S. for two years, is being investigated for corruption for firing the guy who wouldn’t fire her sisters ex-husband, was member of a party that supported leaving the united states and has a daughter whose never heard of the word “condom”. You nuts have to realize that owning a gun doesn’t make you a republican, as a staunch republican do you guys even realize what these republicans are? they are democrats! Republicans are supposed to be about minimal spending and minimal interference in peoples personal lives. George W. has outspent all American presidents and has interfered in our personal lives more than any president in history. If you guys are gonna be republicans, live as one dont just believe you are one.

  • wimpylefty

    Howdy doc-

    Stumbled on your non-biased website by accident. What I really like is the non judgemental viewpoint that you and your minions have of us on the “left”. I’m actually a gun toting business owning father of three and a registered DEMOCRAT. How can this be? One word : BUSH. So far “maverick” Mcbush has not demonstrated that his policies will be any, and I mean ANY different than the previous 8 years. If you think the last 8 years are a good yardstick for measurement (Iraq stalemate, 4,500 dead troops, credit crisis, oil prices -great for my business by the way, torture issues, ad nauseum), then I suggest you remove your head from that stinky little orifice. Just in case you haven’t noticed, things suck around here lately. Believe it or not, many of us “liberals” are extremely unhappy about our choice this year, and there isn’t much we can do about it. However given the piss poor choices available to us, I will have to err on the side of the skinny guy. While I am conservative in a fiscal sense, Mcpain and Palin (especially) represent fundamentalist viewpoints that are woefully out of touch with that of most Americans. I laud her for being brave enough (albeit at her daughter’s expense) to put her family in the spotlight, but the bottom line is that she is too fringe (fundy, secessionist, vengeful-state trooper issue) to potentially be in the highest office in the land (if not world). McBush had many other choices, and shaking things up just for “shakings” sake is more of a stunt than a smart decision, and I think it goes to the core of his reasoning ability. America needs a fiscal belt tightening right now – less on war, tighter lending standards for homeowners (Bush deregulated lending standards in 2002 – look it up), true responsible energy policy, etc. Under Bush, government spending has actually GROWN (republican? I think not…). McPalin is not offering anything to indicate that this will change. If you think it’s bad now…

  • Robert K. Froese

    Old impulsive men will get you into a lot of trouble.

    Bright young men that are well educated, disciplined in their speech and actions, think before they open their mouth, have way more value than the foregoing. Flexibility of mind is a great asset.

    Age simply exagerates the basic characteristics, it does not mellow them. Flexibility of mind is a great asset.

    McCain appears to have nothing of substance or clear headed thought, he still lives his improsnment which is understandable, but I wouldn’t want him the office of pres. way to impulisve and imprudent.

  • Jim

    Sarah Palin is way more experienced than Osama, I mean Obama. To those that think is so wonderful, really take an honest look at him. Somebody has to pay for everything he keeps promising and if you think it`s not going to be the middle class, you`re as crazy as he thinks you are because you believe him. Same old politics – keep taxing the middle class because of the sorry asses who won`t look for a better job.

  • Robert K. Froese

    Jim
    If you want all your financial resources to go into the military, and you want to continue atangonizing your potential international allies, and if you think barracudas make good ambassadors, and if you really think that sabotaging your own senators for the sake of keeping your beloved war hero idiot in office, well then put your trailer trash into the whitehouse

  • Robert K. Froese

    forgot

    it should read “White Trailer Trash”

    Her brand of sarcasm may sell on the floor of idiots, hopefully the electorate is a litle more moderat and little smarter

    Obama is young and will keep learning and improving and won’t embarras you abroad

    McCain is on a downward slide

    idiots all

  • http://realetybytes.townhall.com Ron Reale

    Mr. Robert K. Froese, as you admit you are not an American, maybe you should read the constitution before you mangle it. Take some time to study it and let us know were it talks about the separation of church and state. I would appreciate a foreigner teaching me about our forefathers.
    On another point, when you can’t make a cogent argument, just call people names and insult them. It really makes you look inteligent.
    BTW, Obama has already embarrassed us overseas.
    In case you hadn’t noticed, the countries that gave us the hardest time, France and Germany, threw out their socialist appeasment governments that where in business with Saddam, and now have America loving governments.
    Personally, if all of the dictators and non democratic countries in the world hate us, we are doing something right. We are a free people, of course what we do scares them. It should.
    John McCain just won the election, probably by more of a landslide then Reagan. Relax, take a deep breath. If your not an American, you can now be sure America will still be here to protect you and the rest of the UN maggots when you get in a bind.
    Ron Reale
    realetybytes@yahoo.com
    realetybytes.townhall.com

  • http://peculiarpress.com Dick

    Syntax:
    Why do you assume McCain is pandering?? It’s insulting to Sarah Palin (and other conservative women) to insinuate that the only reason McCain would choose Palin is because she’s a woman. Maybe, as I beleive, McCain recognized a person of character, courage and conviction when he saw one (takes one to know one).
    My experience is solid, if a bit brief, but experience is over-rated. You can have all the experience in the world, and all the knowledge in the world, but without wisdom and judgment, it means nothing.
    John McCain demostrated courageous leadership in choosing Sarah Palin, and the powers that be in Washington, as well as CNN, MSNBC, etc. are terrified of a capable woman who does not fill their biased mold.

  • wimpylefty

    Hey Ron,

    I hear a lot of talk from you about namecalling – what’s up with the “maggot” remark. Smells like hypocrisy to me, but what should I expect from the party of lies. Catch Palin’s speech yet? There are about a half dozen lies in it as well, including how she defeated the “bridge to nowhere”. She wasn’t even on board until national sentiment turned against it. She also hired a lobbyist (spelled pork sniffing maggot) to grab $75 mil for her little backwater town. I guess this is her rejection of taxpayer money, right? As far as Obama not sposoring any significant bills, check out his cosponsoring on several Iraq and terrorism bills which passed (these were done bipartisan, incidentally). McLie spewed some crap about her getting more votes than Biden – turns out not true as well.

    Maybe all of us could just accept that most politicians – and yes she is one- are lying cockroaches. They have ALL had there fair share of lies, and while we all sit here and piss all over each other about who’s team is better they continue to get away with murder (in some cases literally).

    As far as the whole separation of church and state deal, I’m afraid that you’re just going to have to get used to the fact that some of us aren’t going to rollover and let you ram religion down our throats (or elsewhere). Last time I had this happen, it was in the military with a small group (spelled “minority”). I had a roomate who decided it was his mission in life to convert me into a baptist. Turns out his real mission was trying to get into the pants of my other MALE roomate. I have often found that the loudest, most vehement fundamentalists are hiding some major skeletons in their closets. The catholic church scandal should be enough to convince anyone that religion has absolutely no place in state affairs. Remember, Iran is a theocracy. Some model for government, eh? Is this what Palin and gang really want for our country?

  • Avi

    Where’s the topless Palin pics!?

  • Robert K. Froese

    Mr Beale

    Are you predicting a landslide victory for John McCain?

    What are you predicting on the outcome overall on the mid term elections on the Senate?

  • Robert K. Froese

    Mr. Beale

    2nd Amendment:

    “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

    If you put this amendment into context, of the cirumstances of time, and the fact that America did not have the defense forces necessary to protect the security of the newly freed state at that time, it was deemed to be a necessity of the time that the citizenry of this new state were called up to bear the burden of repelling “the enemies (primarily the British at that time. If you take a purist interpretaion of the “shall not be infrigned”, then in that event all citizens sane or insane, shall forever have the right to bear arms.
    “Arms” is all inclusive and again if you take a purist interpretation every single American would be entitled to Assault Rifles,and if you take it to the extreme, that would include nuclear weapons.

    If you read the amendment in context, I would argue that America has all the defence forces it needs to secure and maintain the freedom of the state, and the “non infringement” component of that clause can therefore be interpreted and or adjusted to reflect the former.

    I would add another componenet to the argument referring to the fact that the current interpretaion of the 2nd amendment is actually causing you some internal security issues having nothing to do with the “external” security of the state which is presumably the referenced intended in the language of the amendment.

    With respect, I submit that Shakespeare said it better “discretion is the better part of valour.

  • Robert K. Froese

    Mr. Beale
    Attached is an excerpt from your Fifth Amendment

    Habeas Corpus
    habeas corpus n. Law A writ issued to bring a party before a court to prevent unlawful restraint. [<Med. Lat., you should have the body] Source: AHD

    The basic premise behind habeas corpus is that you cannot be held against your will without just cause. To put it another way, you cannot be jailed if there are no charges against you. If you are being held, and you demand it, the courts must issue a writ of habeas corpus, which forces those holding you to answer as to why. If there is no good or compelling reason, the court must set you free. It is important to note that of all the civil liberties we take for granted today as a part of the Bill of Rights, the importance of habeas corpus is illustrated by the fact that it was the sole liberty thought important enough to be included in the original text of the Constitution.

    I’m asking you to make a cogent argument for the right of America to hold prisoners for years without any charges laid against them.

    Quote me chapter and verse of your constitutiion that allows your President to arbitraly suspend the rights of people taken into custody by American forces.

    “Habeas Corpus
    habeas corpus n. Law A writ issued to bring a party before a court to prevent unlawful restraint. [<Med. Lat., you should have the body] Source: AHD

    The basic premise behind habeas corpus is that you cannot be held against your will without just cause. To put it another way, you cannot be jailed if there are no charges against you. If you are being held, and you demand it, the courts must issue a writ of habeas corpus, which forces those holding you to answer as to why. If there is no good or compelling reason, the court must set you free. It is important to note that of all the civil liberties we take for granted today as a part of the Bill of Rights, the importance of habeas corpus is illustrated by the fact that it was the sole liberty thought important enough to be included in the original text of the Constitution.”

  • Robert K. Froese

    Mr. Beale
    Re: your comments on Separation of Church and State “Take some time to study it and let us know were it talks about the separation of church and state. I would appreciate a foreigner teaching me about our forefathers”.

    Thomas Jefferson didn’t use the words “separation of church and state”, he referred to “a wall” and I will find you the rest of that text. There is the constitutional inhibition of legislation on the subject of religion. The constitution specifically forbids Congress to enact legislation on matters of religion, and I believe Amendment 14 ties the states into the same inhibition. I believe your forefathers understood that it was better to have a good all encompassing gernal clause than to be specific and then have fundamentalists pick it apart, because somebody’s pet religious rite had been inadvertently forgotten. I believe your constitution does not even define religion for the same reason. They were certainly smart enought to do that, they chose not to be specific and for a very good reason.

    Only a liturgical hair splitting cleric could possibly come to the conclusion that there is no intended separation of church in the constitutional amendments.

    Fundamentalists read their bibles, Korans, and Torahs in the same way Bible belting fundamentalists read their holy bible.

    I beleive the bible to state clearly that you are to render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are Gods.

    Doesn’t that mean separation of church and state?

    And if you want to legislate Christian fundamentalist values and beliefs into your consitution, then which ones are you going to pick?

    If you go into the old testament you would be obligated to re-introduce slavery, among other things. If you take into account the new testament you would mold your swords into ploughshares. That means you would have to unwind your defence department.

    Turn the other cheek the good Lord has commanded you to do that. Problem is that if the meek shall inherit the earth, its unlikely they will keep it for long.

    I will get you Thomas Jefferson’s text, don’t think the text I’m referring to is contained in the constitution, but it certainly tells you what he had in mind with respect to separation of church and state.

    On a personal basis, I am not right or left, I believe you have had some very good Democrat Presidents and some very good Republican presidents. For your information I was appalled when Barack Obama committed to the continuance of the Faith Based innitiatives founded by Geoge Bush. I’m sure he will find a way to define the involvements that at least on a technical basis will preclude clerics from using the funds in prosyletizing activity, I’m guessing that will cost him some votes.

    There is no cogent argument I can make that will persuade a hard core fundamentalist to change a pre-conceived notion of anything nvolving his / her faith based mind set.

    I love Americans; I do not like fundamentalist zealots of any stripe, and most pointedly I don’t like theocracies. Bible in one hand, a gun in the other and they will democratize a nation that does not want an American sytle democracy; that’s what happend in Iraq.

    and Barack was right

  • Robert K. Froese

    Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his god, [the people, in the 1st Amendment,] declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.

  • http://realetybytes.townhall.com Ron Reale
  • http://realetybytes.townhall.com Ron Reale

    Mr. Froese, nice try, but there is still no ” separation”, or “wall”, in the constitution by our forefathers, as you said. That came through interpretations in the last century.
    The peoples right to bear arms is absolute, and was put there by men who had just had to fight of there government.
    It is specifically there to end any future government through armed citizenry, should the necessity arise again.
    The last time I looked, the war powers act, or the october act, which predates the recent patriot act, gives absolute power to the executive in the matters of war and prisoners. As we have been operating under the war powers act for years, not the constitution, (which was suspended by FDR on March 6, 1933-It’s called the bank holiday for some reason – so any habeus problems are moot.
    Google the words “executive Orders” and then look up Executive Orders #2039 and #2040.
    Then you will see why none of this matters.
    The yellow fringe around the American flag is proof. Look up what that fringe means, sir. The flag our president uses to represent us is NOT the American flag, and if you’r interested, as a non-American, to see how we lost our country, please check “Executive Orders”, or find where they exist in the Constitution. (trick question because they DON’T exist constitutionally, because they make our leader a king. Really.
    Ron Reale
    realetybytes@yahoo.com
    realetybytes.townhall.com
    a Dr. Eugene Schroeder has written extensively on the suspension of the constitution.
    rr

  • http://realetybytes.townhall.com Ron Reale

    Mr. Froese, the only thing congress can’t do with religion is prohibit it, or establish one over the other. That was what our forefathers wanted, not the interpretation of religion hating aclu types.
    Ron Reale

  • http://realetybytes.townhall.com Ron Reale

    So you, a foreigner, think our country has a secure enough state to change our founding documents. That is why you will never understand Americans. Do you remember the riots in France when the islamic fools attacked for days because of cartoons? The islamic fools, (I would call any group rioting over cartoons fools), rioted and kiled people all over the world…except here. We would have shot them down like they were rabid dogs. That is what our guns are for. Everyone in the world knows they can’t pull that here. We do not depend on our government to secure the state, because they can’t or won’t. Mexican border, anyone?
    Ron Reale

  • http://realetybytes.townhall.com Ron Reale

    Wimpyleft, the maggot remark pertains to the 180 or so countries in the world that are non democracies ruled by kings or despots or commies that aren’t worth our sweat that we have to deal with because we are involved with that embarrassment on the banks of the east river in NY. Anyone wishing to change this country to one of these socialist garbage dumps is a maggot. Any foreigner that thinks it was so great the way it was in their country should consider going back, not changing the US to a garbage dump like they left. Our unemployment level and economy are head above most of the world, and the people in countries doing better aren’t coming here to cry.
    Ron Reale

  • gary in tn

    I think we can finally say we see the liberals for who they really are. Mean, ugly, unfair and sexist.

  • http://realetybytes.townhall.com Ron Reale

    BTW, anyone who thinks I am “pushing my religion”, (I am NOT religious AT ALL), or that I like McCain, my past blogs at “realetybytes.townhall.com” will easily dissuade you of those misconceptions.
    Ron Reale

  • http://realetybytes.townhall.com Ron Reale

    Mr. Froese, yes, I have been predicting a landslide for McCain, because I figured that after labor day, when people pay attention, there would be an investigation into the millions of dollars in taxpayer money THE ONE gave to the unrepentant terrorist William Ayers, (who, on a personal level, tried to kill my dad), and the populace would turn from THE ONE. (we have never had a politician beholden to terrorists before, and I don’t think the American people will appreciate the fact that terrorists ran THE ONE’s first fundraisers and guided his rise in leftist Chicago machine politics).
    Obviously, with millions in tax dollars missing, THE ONE was a worthwhile investment for them. What else does he owe them?
    I expect the senate and house will be lead by the democrats, unfortunately.
    Ron Reale

  • Robert K. Froese

    Mr. Beale
    I am not a constiutional expert, and don’t pretend to be one. I read English, and even understand that even in America your courts do refer to and rely on precedents. Your Supreme court inerprets and rules and over rules opnions of lower courts based on the collective sentimetns of court as a whole.

    I don’t know the details, but quite recently your Supreme Court overruled Washington DC’s attemtped control on guns.

    Can we just agree to disagree on such issues as religion and constitutiontal matters? In any event as you point out, I am not American, and admit that I got a little carried away as a result of my complete inability to understand where you are coming from. What I think doesn’t matter and I am not so arrogant as to think that I could change your mind, so I must repect your position even if I don’t agree with it.

    Notwithstanding the foregoing yor comments “We do not depend on our government to secure the state” are too radical for me to digest, and respectfully, I will abandon this blog for that reason.

    regards

    Rob

  • Lorne

    Hey Mel!

    You’re gettin’ lots of mileage out of this Palin business, aintcha! I went online looking for nude pics of Palin and somehow wound up on your website. Imagine that! (Ha!)

    I predicted the Palin pick. I was not surprised. I was telling my wife and a friend over dinner a few days before the announcement that McCain needed to pick someone younger and either female or minority or both to counter the “historicity” of the Democrats’ ticket. I thought a young, attractive female governor would be his best bet, not only to counter his own stodgy personality and relative homeliness, but also to give women voters someone to identify with.

    Basically, Obama is capitalizing on all the free publicity and enthusiasm that he has generated by being “the first black man.” Hillary would have had the same kind of publicity if she had been “the first woman.” The Democratic Party has been promising big change in its two frontrunner candidates for months. McCain looked like more of the same old, white, male Republicanism. He had to do something dramatic to propel himself out of Obama’s shadow. I think it worked.

    Palin is having an interesting effect on the election. In this nation which loves everything young and new, Palin has managed to make Obama seem very much like yesterday’s news. You get the feeling that Palin is the energy behind the Republican ticket now. McCain is just sort of running as her grandfather to give her a few pointers and show her the ropes for the first four years. The duo has a Charles-and-Diana kind of dynamic. He’s the stuffy old blue-blood who legitimizes his partner and whom the public more or less grudgingly acknowledges. She’s the star. It’s like Eisenhower and Mary Tyler Moore.

    Palin’s “freshness” also contrasts markedly with Obama’s carefully crafted coming-from-outside-the-beltway persona. She’s REALLY from outside Washington. You can’t get much farther away, unless you’re in the Frigate Shoals or someplace. And she’s really an accidental politician. Whatever Obama’s claims to novelty, his present position on the national stage was very much the result of deliberate, directed effort to ascend that stage. Whatever his claims to humble beginnings, he’s nevertheless a Harvard graduate, wealthy lawyer, and resident of an upscale Chicago suburb.

    Palin, on the other hand, seemingly inadvertently followed some overachieving, mom-in-charge impulse until she accidentally wound up in the governor’s office. She doesn’t seem very far removed from the PTA. And that’s good. It’s hard to ascribe cynicism and duplicity to a young woman who simply hasn’t been a politician long enough to have gotten far from her roots as an ordinary person.

    This is plain because she was still able to recognize that a luxury jet and personal chef were unnecessary absurdities for the governor, which Alaskan taxpayers should not have to pay for. A more seasoned politician (like “Krimey” Kilpatrick of Detroit) would have viewed them merely as well earned perks.

    Well, I’m not sure who I’m going to vote for. I was considering McCain before he picked Palin, and I’m happy that it appears he’ll be competitive now. Also, since it seems that the Iraq war will end in the next presidential term, regardless who’s elected, that issue is off the table.

    My hot button issues are the debt, the deficit, and the economy. I want to know which of these candidates understands what has happened to this country financially for the last 8 years — both at the citizen level and at the government level — and has a detailed plan to fix it.

    If all the Democrats can offer is “green jobs” and “tax increases for the wealthiest Americans,” then I say, “Kiss my ass.” If all the Republicans can offer is “free trade” and “tax cuts” then I say, “Go to hell.”

    I want to hear someone talk about some aggressive goals to cut government spending, balance the budget, return to budget surpluses, pay down the debt, and find a way to put more Americans to work in unskilled manufacturing jobs to produce more of the things we need and buy every day, from toothpicks, t-shirts, and toasters to tableware, TVs, and telecommunications products. I don’t want to hear any more about tax credits to help help displaced workers “retrain” for “21st century jobs of the future.” The jobs of the future are the same jobs that are making China one of the fastest growing and most productive nations on the planet.

    As Gary Snyder said, “[A]ll of us will come back again to hoe in the ground, or gather wild potato bulbs with digging sticks, or hand-adze a beam, or skin a pole, or scrape a hive. We’re never going to get away from that. We’ve been living a dream that we’re going to get away from it, that we won’t have to do it again. Put that out of our minds. We’ll always do that work. That work is always going to be there.”

    The sooner politicians in the U.S. get it through their heads that we need that work here for our people to do, the sooner we can get to work doing what needs to be done to make that happen.

    Anyhoo, just wanted to rant. How ya doin’?

    :-D

    Lorne

  • http://realetybytes.townhall.com Ron Reale

    Mr. Froese, I understand and thank you for admitting it is hard to understand an armed populace, as opposed to almost all the others. We the people are the government. We are the final line of defense of the state, as our forefathers meant. They also never meant to treat religion in the antagonistic manner it finds itself in. There is a big difference in what they meant, (the federalist papers), and what aclu types have wrought from our courts.
    Please follow up on the executive orders, I think you will find it quite interesting to see how a free people can lose their way. Thanks for the give and take, and my last name is Reale, not Beale:-)
    take care
    Ron Reale
    Ron Reale

  • Robert K. Froese

    Thank You Mr. Reale

    Here’s the deal:
    Obama wins I get your Uzzi
    McCain wins I send you a case of good Canadian Ice Storm Beer, (it will knock your lights out sitting in the dark).

    I’ll come back to this blog on November 5th and we’ll do the trade.

    If you insist on even odds, then in that event I’ll take the AK47

    Deal?

    Regards

    Rob

  • http://realetybytes.townhall.com Ron Reale

    Rob,
    To parphrase one of my heros, the great Charlton Heston, “you’d have to pry my gun from my cold, dead, hands”…no matter who wins!
    I’d be happy to give you gun safety instructions and take you shooting, though.
    How’s this?
    If you win, you drink the beer,
    when I win, you drink it with your friends and congratulate America.
    Ron
    btw, did you make it through any of my blog? Opinions apppreciated, more so from those that may not necessarily see things in the same light.
    rr

  • Robert K. Froese

    Ron:
    Charles Hesston; a great actor; he played Moses in “The Ten Commandments”, He could play God with that voice of his (he probably did).
    Michael Moore would not make poster boy for the N.R.A.

    Ron there is precedent for gun / beer trades between CA and USA, goes back to the Korean war, when your troops were sent to Korea without beer, and ours were sent without guns.

    I do get it, guns are off the table.
    Truth be known, I’m way more afraid of religion than guns.

    FYI
    I have a six inch double edged throw knife, in my dresser drawer. It’s a keepsake for me; I disarmed a paranoid schizophrenic who should not be carrying a knife.

    The only gun I ever ownd was a 303 army surplus Lee Enfield, with a long stock, and a clip of steel jacketed bullets. I was probably 20 yrs of age and wanted to go deer hunting. I went hunting just once, couldn’t bear to shoot an innocent deer, and other hunters in the bush scared me out of the bush.

    I then tried shortening up the stock, and blueing the barrel, but the thing rusted up on me, and ended up trashed.

    I did a very brief search on exec orders by past pres, and noted that there are literally thousands of them, didn’t have the time do any meaningful research.

    I think I got at least a general window on the extrordinary power vested in your President, and the reluctance on the part of congress to do battle on such orders.

    Ron, its virtually my first attemtpt at blogging, and I learned a lot.

    I think we represent opposite ends of the ideolgical spectrum, but let there be no doubt, that I would want to be next to you in the trenches, and if I’m physically threatened I want you in my corner.

    We all love Americans when we’re under fire.

    Documentation, constitution / executive orders / working papers etc.

    You and look at the same stuff, from different vantage points (I think). I look at everything with a view to find holes and use the holes in support of my pre-conceived ideas about how society ought to function.

    You look at the same docuemtnation with a view to pluggin any holes someone like myself would want to use, in order to attack or weaken the rights to which you passionately cling to.

    So we haave to stick to beer,and safer topics.

    I totally agree with your focus on responsible use, handling and storage of guns. A gun isn’t much use in the hands of someone who doesn’t know how to use, and or even worse, isn’t prepared to use when necessary. Also an individual who isn’t phsycologically conditioned to use it is better off to rely on someone like yourself.

    enfuufffffffff

    regards

    rob

  • http://realetybytes.townhall.com Ron Reale

    Two things, Rob. First I turned down the trade, not because of the gun aspect, but because I do not drink! (grew up in the sixties, dontcha know).
    Second, I never expected you to read all the executive orders, just their history and power, (all the pres has to do is say “I do this by executive order” and it becomes law), and the fact that if our president can use executive orders, (which he and all the others do, quite prolifically), then that is proof the Constitution has been suspended, (by the traitor Roosevelt, March 6, 1933), and we now have a king.
    Take care, and write me about how screwy my blogs are:-)
    Ron Reale
    realetybytes@yahoo.com
    realetybytes.townhall.com

  • Rob

    Dear Ms. Clouthier – Me personally…I don’t want someone who is “just like me” or a “working class mom”. For the most important job in the world….quite frankly, I want someone who is better than me. Way better.

    Just scanning your blog…wow, it is an amazing den of hate.

    Have a nice day.

  • betal

    if you cannot go all the way, go half way twice.

    Do you know where I can buy lipstick for my pitbull.

  • http://strategicthought-charles77.blogspot.com/2008/09/some-sobering-thought-for-both-sides-in.html Charles

    Newsflash. McCaine/Palin now lead Obama/Biden by 2 points!
    Sarah Palin’s favorabilty ratings now exceed McCains AND OBAMAS

  • Inside Source

    Senetor Palin was only chosen for the womens vote. If Hilary was chosen VP for the democrates, McCain had another choice on hand. The reason Palin doesn’t step in front of reporters is because she is going through extensive training on how to answer all the questions she’s going to be asked. She is AMAZING at reading a speech!! But start asking her questions at this point she will fold like a beach chair. Sorry to disappoint you Palin supporters but she’s not the real deal!

  • http://realetybytes.townhall.com Ron Reale

    Hey Inside Source,
    You don’t think THE ONE, is going through the exact same training? Did you hear the unanswers to some hard questions on O’reilly, or his “above my pay grade” answer about whether a newborn baby on a cart is alive? If she were to meet him, right now, they would both know very little about foreign affairs, and she would wipe the floor with him on everything else.
    He even tried to equate the facts that Sean Hannity brings up every night to the disgusting lies on KOS and HUFFINGTON, hoping people will just accept his blatant lies rather then checking out those outrageous sites.
    He lied about his connections to the terrorist Ayers, whom he has funneled earmark, (taxpayer) monies, which of course disappeared, to pay him back for starting him in politics.
    He lies over and over.
    She has people from all points in her past standing up for her.
    He hasn’t brought anyone from his past, except the ones he has lied about recently as he throws them under the bus saying, “why, thats not the person I knew…”
    Ron Reale
    realetybytes@yahoo.com
    realetybytes.townhall.com

  • http://www.sarahpalintshirt.com Sarah Palin

    Give her support! She is going to do such great things for our country!

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