Sarah Palin’s Daughter “Punished With A Baby”–UPDATED, And Punished With Hot Future Husband

September 1, 2008 / 12:30 pm • By Dr. Melissa Clouthier

It turns out the Palins like punishment. That was already established. Who in their right mind goes into politics these days when one is assured of being attacked non-stop?

It also turns out that Sarah Palin’s 17 year old daughter is five months pregnant:

“We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us,” the Palins’ statement said.

“Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support,” the Palins said.

The Palins asked the news media to respect the young couple’s privacy.

“Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media, respect our daughter and Levi’s privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates,” the statement concluded.

Punishment. If only Bristol’s last name were Obama, she wouldn’t have to be punished:

“Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” Obama said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”

It turns out that the Palins made the wrong decision twice. First, Sarah, pregnant with a Down’s Syndrome baby didn’t abort. Second, their daughter got pregnant while unmarried and didn’t abort. Oh, and there’s a third mistake, but it has yet to happen: Teen daughter will get married to the baby’s father.

As a sensible person, teen pregnancy is obviously, not a good thing. It happens, though. Even Christian kids have sex, sometimes without birth control or even with it, and get pregnant. It will make Bristol’s life harder, to be sure, but she won’t be alone. She’ll have love and support. She’ll have to grow up sooner. And she won’t be the first person this has happened to.

Update: And no, this news will not hurt her with evangelicals.

And yes, Jeff Goldstein is exactly right, again when he writes in Breeders Breeding Breeders:

The left, as it has now been shown in one of the ugliest incidences of McCarthyite bullying I can remember, has no core belief in privacy, or even an investment in actual “choice” for women — unless the woman in question falls in line with their particular orthodoxies, that is. Anyone else is an “anti-woman” woman, and as such is subject to public exposure and ridicule.

The ironic thing is, Bristol Palin’s political beliefs aren’t even known, beyond (I assume) her support for her mother. But hey: all is fair in love and war, and suddenly, the progressive left seems quite unconcerned with “collateral damage” and “the children!™

Hopefully, any real feminist — not the kinds of second wave “establishment feminists” who have eschewed the end game of equality for the politically charged power politics of identity group activism and grievance pimping — will be so appalled by what has transpired over the last several days that they will run screaming from the “enlightened” base of the Democratic party: totalitarian “progressives” who have devoured Alinsky like he was a particularly plump and inviting veggie burger.

They are what they pretend to despise. And in the quiet moments between attacks, I suspect many of them recognize this, and secretly curse what it is they’ve become.

There’s more at the link. Go read the whole thing.

Updated again:

Michelle Malkin says, “Bristol Palin Chooses Life, Now Leave Her Alone.” Can we get an amen?

Oh, and Todd Palin had a DUI 22 years ago. Not relevant, but then, this news isn’t about relevance.

Updated again:

As one who would have a woody if I possessed wood, I resemble Rachel Lucas’ assessment. In addition, her assessment of the left is also accurate:

And who can doubt that the announcement that 17-year-old Palin daughter Bristol is preggers will drive certain leftists completely off the deep end in an orgy of impotent joy that now they can drag a minor into the election combat zone? This is the best news they’ve heard in weeks so you can’t blame them for their ecstasy. The only thing that might make them happier is if she had an abortion.

Hope! Change!

Rachel is also receiving leftist lovenotes. Mine die in moderation–well, most do. Some I let through for your entertainment. Rachel posted her favorites. She’s in love. Rupert’s a goner.

Updated again:

Ann Althouse on the sexism, again. Good grief, you could swaddle the left in their hypocrisy and spank their bottoms and they wouldn’t get it (this is a very long quote, my apologies to Ann, but it is so good. Also, go over to her site because the comments really capture the essence of this mess):

MadisonMan said:
I think the way to support a child through a pregnancy is to be there for them, not to embark on a national campaign — sure, it’s “only” 2 months — that will shine the spotlight on the child. Anyway, that would be my reaction as a parent.

Oh, that looks like a meme. Sarah Palin must stay home with her special needs baby. Sarah Palin must stay home with her about-to-be-married, pregnant daughter. Ladies: Put your career on hold until everything in you’re family stops happening. I know, MM is a man and he’s saying he’d stay home too, but would he? Would a man forgo his career to be there for a family member who is experiencing an important life transition?

Remember when John Edwards decided to go on with his campaign after his wife got a diagnosis of inoperable cancer? Now, I think Elizabeth Edwards was probably excited about the campaign and wanted to go on with it. In that light, why are you assuming that Bristol Palin isn’t excited about her mother’s campaign? Unlike Elizabeth Edwards, Bristol is not facing her last days. She’s just starting out — all caught up in life. Presumably, she’s intense and positive about her pro-life beliefs, her love for the baby’s father, her impending wedding, and the new baby on the way.

I imagine her eager to run around with the campaign, spreading the pro-life message to young people. Why should you think she would prefer to mope around the house, feeling ashamed, absorbing maternal comforting? On the campaign trail, she will be a loved and praised pro-life heroine, and she — and her mother — are likely to convert others to the pro-life side, with their glamorous and very positive image. Pro-choicers beware.

ADDED: In the comments Randy quotes my “Would a man forgo his career to be there for a family member who is experiencing an important life transition?” and says:
Ann, Joe Biden talks about facing that question when his wife and daughter were killed, and his sons injured, in that car accident. I can’t recall anyone ever criticizing him for making the decision to remain in the US Senate and commute from Delaware to DC.

Again, these criticisms would simply never be lobbed at a man. Have you even heard once, even one time, how hard on Obama’s girls it must be to have their father gallivanting around the country during their formative years? I challenge you to find it.

Updated again:
Patterico is actually communicating with Andrew Sullivan. And Andrew Sullivan still cannot believe the baby is Sarah’s. He’s a fact-checker, that one.

Updated:

Here’s Bristol’s fiancé. When you read the article, note how sensible the people there seem to be.

Updated again:

Ed Morrissey over at Hotair, like many parents, faced this situation. His story is touching and not unique in America:

Our son and daughter-in-law had just started their senior year in high school when they became pregnant, and I use that pronoun deliberately. The two of them formed their own unit and held each other up during a terribly stressful year. Meanwhile, we parents had to support them as best we could, and make sure they knew we loved and supported them through it all. In return, we discovered two wonderful adults who had just been children shortly before, and when the Little Admiral came, two wonderful parents as well.

None of this was easy, and we certainly all had our moments during this stressful time. However, we took each day as it came, and we discovered that it really didn’t bring the world to an end or stop the two of them from pursuing their dreams Like Bristol, our son and daughter-in-law got engaged shortly afterwards, and this month celebrated six years of marriage. Both of them graduated from college this year, and my son will start graduate school this week. It took them a little longer, but they achieved their goals.

Bristol Palin will be okay. She will face challenges, but who doesn’t?

UPDATED AGAIN:
Good grief, I’m excited about getting linked by the New York Times for the first time and then I read the comments about Bristol Palin’s pregnancy and my heart sinks. Ostensibly, Times readers are sophisticated and worldly and not the same kinds of people who would frequent a Kos forum, but it looks like I might be too optimistic. I won’t high-light them here, but you can go read them for a taste of hate.

Still waiting on “liberal bloggers” takes on John Edward’s confirmed affair and weird-ass cover-up of his alleged love-child. He was a candidate. Bristol Palin is the kid of a candidate. Get the difference?

And another thing, my mom was married a month and 19 when she got pregnant with me. Young parenting is only abnormal now because it’s customary to delay parenthood and adulthood these days, but women have been having babies at young ages for a long time and survived. Good grief. This is not a tragedy. It’s a poorly timed pregnancy.

UPDATED:

A picture is worth more than 1,000 words.

RS McCain: “Levi Johston: Sex on Skates”

  • Nick V

    Again distored facts…
    “I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”
    Obama is referring to Palins NO CONTRACIVE position, NOT Abortion or a child. Again, how will you feel when your teen daughter gets an STD because a McCain/Palin supreme court makes contraceptives illegal?

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  • http://melissaclouthier.com Dr. Melissa Clouthier

    Nick,

    You’re kidding right? Who wants to make contraception illegal? Talk about distorted facts.

  • bs

    Palin’s daughter is a sinner!

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  • Jes Anna

    I can’t believe that people want true GOD fearing people to accept this laying down. The young lady is ungodly and put her life at risk for not just a baby, but for every sexually transmitted disease known to man. It is my belief that Sarah Palin needs to read Proverbs 31 and abide by that as an evangelical.

  • http://melissaclouthier.com Dr. Melissa Clouthier

    Jes,

    That kind of condemnation is just wrong. Part of being a Christian is acknowledging a fallen nature, thus the need for the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. It’s called grace. Everyone needs it.

    Some sins are private and some are broadcast for all to see. A pregnancy is one everyone sees. Interestingly self-righteousness is pretty transparent, too.

  • John

    Sarah Palin put her daughter in this embarrassing situation. She could have just said no to McCain, you know…

  • LisaP

    I love your site, which I just linked to via the wonderful Michelle Malkin blog. And I am in complete agreement with you on this issue. For goodness’ sakes, Sarah Palin’s daughter is 17–not 13, not 14, not 15. SEVENTEEN. The unhinged left is moonbat loony, and I send them my congrats for their unparalleled idiocy. I dare them to make this a campaign issue. It will simply make the coming McCain landslide victory that much more of a booty kicking for the dumbocrats.

  • http://melissaclouthier.com Dr. Melissa Clouthier

    John,

    It’s like blaming a woman for wearing a mini-skirt and getting raped. Give me a break.

    No man running for office would be being put through this garbage. The press has YET to investigate former presidential nominee John Edwards about his affair, while his wife was sick, and fathering a child. “It’s a private matter.”

    Well, it seems that these things are only private matters if you’re a Democrat. Republicans and in this case, their children, are subjected to all sorts of garbage.

    Oh, and don’t forget women. How dare Sarah Palin work and raise a family? This woman can’t win. Between the extreme leftists and the extreme rightists, a woman is supposed to be what?

    Would that men had these strictures on behavior.

  • Naqamel

    Keep it up, lefties. Keep attacking the Palin kids.

    Because it worked so well for you guys in 2004 when you pointed out repeatedly that Mary Cheney was a lesbian.

  • Trish

    bs and jes anna–

    Yes, of course Bristol Palin is a sinner. So are all the rest of us. True Evangelical Christianity is about repentance and forgiveness. And having a sexual relationship with the young man she intends to marry hardly puts her “at risk for every sexually transmitted disease known to man”–at least not unless you know a lot more about her fiance that I do.

    Incidentally, it’s “lying down,” not “laying down.”

  • http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/humannature/archive/2008/08/28/contraceptive-fudge.aspx Melissa

    Earlier there was some discussion about pro-life groups trying to get rid of birth control. This is a very real agenda, and it is currently being played out by the HHS Secretary Michael Leavitt. According to slate, which has links to verify all of this, Leavitt defined abortion as

    “any of the various procedures—including the prescription, dispensing and administration of any drug or the performance of any procedure or any other action—that results in the termination of the life of a human being in utero between conception and natural birth, whether before or after implantation.”

    He has even admitted that under his definition of abortion, practioners “press the definition” of abortion to include birth control.

    You can read the article at slate.com, and all of the accompanying material.

  • Melissa

    oops I thought I included the link, but I didn’t.

    here is the original discussion
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/humannature/archive/2008/08/28/contraceptive-fudge.aspx

    and here is where the issue stands now.
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/humannature/default.aspx

  • John

    “It’s like blaming a woman for wearing a mini-skirt and getting raped.”

    Not at all. It’s more like blaming a woman for dressing her teenage daughter in a miniskirt and pushing her into a prison cell full of rapists, which is a wrong thing to do.

    She is to blame. She knew her daughter was pregnant, and decided to put her family under the microscope.

    “No man running for office would be being put through this garbage. The press has YET to investigate former presidential nominee John Edwards …”

    What? It was front page news. It’s obvious to all but the terminally stupid that the baby is his.

    “Oh, and don’t forget women. How dare Sarah Palin work and raise a family? This woman can’t win.”

    If she’s so dedicated to her family, how about if you explain why a 44-yr-old (high risk by age alone) travels to a political function in her third trimester, flies home during contractions, bypasses Dallas, Seattle, and Anchorage hospitals with NICUs, so that her high-risk baby is delivered by a family practice physician (who also is on staff at the Anchorage hospital)? The fifth bun often slides out of the oven in minutes, not hours.

    She put her son at enormous risk if that’s true. It’s as though she wanted to lose this baby.

  • Trish

    John–
    Sarah Palin was under a doctor’s care throughout her pregnancy. She consulted that doctor and followed the advice she was given. She had permission to fly, and was not having contractions when she returned home. If anything was wrong it is the doctor, not Palin, who is to blame.

    She did not put the baby at risk, or try to lose him. That is a vicious thing to say, and you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

  • linda in nm

    Not only is Bristol Palin a sinner but she has not graduated from high school. Both she and her boyfriend will be seniors, that is if they don’t become dropouts. Bristol is following in her mother’s footsteps. Palin was pregnant with her older son when she eloped. Now it is a family tradition. Briston was only 16 when she got pregnant.

  • http://melissaclouthier.com Dr. Melissa Clouthier

    Linda,

    Well, she’s a sinner who is going to graduate from high school and get married. Wow. That’s never happened before.

    Good grief, I recall Jesus asking the Pharisees to cast the first stone, he who is without sin. Lots of casting around her by so-called Christians.

  • Trish

    I haven’t seen a lot of casting from Christians (though I admit there has been some), but there has been far more casting from those who are not Christians. I suspect some of the nastiness is not from real Christians, but from people who believe this is how a Christian would react, and are indulging in a bit of nastiness at Christians’ expense. Real Christians operate crisis pregnancy centers, and try to find solutions to such problems.

    Certainly Bristol is a sinner. We are all sinners. No one can meet God’s standard of perfection. That’s what Christianity is about–confession, repentance and forgiveness. Bristol has repented, and is going to do the right thing. If I’m not mistaken, her future husband is already out of high school.

    My angel mother, who is now in heaven, was never graduated from high school, but she was a lovely human being, who volunteered to help with recreation at a mental health facility once a week well into her 70s, until she became incapacitated.

    I think a little decency is in order now.

  • John

    Trish wrote:
    “John–
    Sarah Palin was under a doctor’s care throughout her pregnancy. She consulted that doctor and followed the advice she was given.”

    No, Trish, those are just claims, not facts, and besides, you’re ignoring the problem of her alleged use of a family practice physician instead of an OB and neonatologist for a high-risk pregnancy and high-risk baby.

    “If anything was wrong it is the doctor, not Palin, who is to blame.”

    So where is she in all this? Not a single OB has agreed with the alleged advice.

    “She did not put the baby at risk, or try to lose him. That is a vicious thing to say, and you ought to be ashamed of yourself.”

    If that’s true, you, Palin, or her physician should easily be able to answer these simple questions:

    Why did she fly to a political function in her third trimester?
    Why did she fly home during contractions while leaking amniotic fluid?
    Why did she bypass Dallas, Seattle, and Anchorage hospitals with NICUs?
    Why was her high-risk baby delivered by a family practice physician (who also is on staff at the Anchorage hospital) instead of an OB?

  • Trish

    Q: Why did Palin fly to a political function in her third trimester? A: Because she had medical permission to do so. This was to be her last flight before giving birth.

    Q: Why did she fly home while leaking amniotic fluid? A: Because she consulted with her doctor and it was determined that it was safe to do so. She was not having contractions; a woman who has been pregnant four times knows when birth is imminent.

    Q: Why did she bypass Dallas, Seattle, and Anchorage hospitals with NCIUs? A: Because there was no medical reason for her to go there.

    Q: Why was her “high-risk” baby delivered by a family practice physician instead of an OB? A: Because this was the doctor who had been caring for her throughout her pregnancy, and knew her medical history and condition. A family practice physician is a full-fledged doctor who is fully qualified to deliver a baby. An obstetrician is a doctor who focuses on pregnancy to the exclusion of other conditions.

    John, it’s clear you don’t know much about pregnancy and childbirth. A so-called “high-risk” pregnancy is not the constant medical emergency you seem to think it is. In fact, a large reason the pregnancy of an older woman is “high-risk” is the increased incidence of Downs Syndrome, which is genetic and occurs at conception.

    As to the claim that “not a single OB has agreed with the alleged advice,” no reputable physician of any kind would comment about another doctor’s treatment of a patient he himself had never met. And in fact, the “alleged advice” proved the correct advice: no harm came to Trig or Palin during labor and birth.

    Yet even in the face of the facts you pretend Sarah Palin was trying to kill her baby. That is utterly despicable. You should be ashamed.

  • John

    “Because she had medical permission to do so. This was to be her last flight before giving birth.”

    There’s no evidence that she sought medical permission before going, Trish.

    “Because she consulted with her doctor and it was determined that it was safe to do so.”

    There’s no evidence that she consulted any physician before going.

    “She was not having contractions;…”

    This is utterly false, according to Palin herself:
    “Palin said she felt fine but had leaked amniotic fluid and also felt some contractions that seemed different from the false labor she had been having for months.”

    This was reported back in April:
    http://www.adn.com/front/story/382864.html

    Now, what’s your source for your claim that she wasn’t having any contractions?

    ” a woman who has been pregnant four times knows when birth is imminent.”

    Women who have given birth four times know that barring complications, the later ones come out very quickly. Palin herself said that she didn’t view her contractions as false labor, while you fabricate and claim that there were no contractions at all.

    “Because there was no medical reason for her to go there [to a hospital with an NICU].”

    Now you’re claiming that DS babies aren’t at high risk for life-threatening neonatal problems, Trish?

    “Because this was the doctor who had been caring for her throughout her pregnancy,…”

    There’s no evidence of that.

    “… and knew her medical history and condition.”

    You mean that she wasn’t pregnant at all?

    “A family practice physician is a full-fledged doctor…”

    What? “Doctor” is a title used to address those with doctoral degrees. It’s not an occupation.

    “… who is fully qualified to deliver a baby.”

    A typical baby, yes. This was a high-risk mother and a high-risk baby combined.

    “An obstetrician is a doctor who focuses on pregnancy to the exclusion of other conditions.”

    Yes, and is far more qualified in high-risk situations like these.

    “John, it’s clear you don’t know much about pregnancy and childbirth.”

    How do you figure, Trish? I’ve caught you in two outright falsehoods and every claim you’ve made isn’t supported by evidence, just supposition and spin.

    “A so-called “high-risk” pregnancy is not the constant medical emergency you seem to think it is.”

    Straw man. Leaking amniotic fluid requires prompt medical attention, which she did not seek. She risked a medical emergency when she flew, assuming that she really was pregnant.

    “In fact, a large reason the pregnancy of an older woman is “high-risk” is the increased incidence of Downs Syndrome, which is genetic and occurs at conception.”

    It’s not the main reason (complications surrounding childbirth is), and btw, the genetic event (nondisjunction) that causes DS occurs BEFORE conception. But hey, I’m just a geneticist–you obviously know much more about medicine and genetics than I do.

    “As to the claim that “not a single OB has agreed with the alleged advice,” no reputable physician of any kind would comment about another doctor’s treatment of a patient he himself had never met.”

    Many already have commented, and there’s nothing patient-specific about this. It makes no sense at all.

    “Yet even in the face of the facts you pretend Sarah Palin was trying to kill her baby.”

    No, I wrote that IF all of those things are true, it’s as though she wanted to lose this baby. I don’t believe that they are true–everything is too fishy.

    “That is utterly despicable. You should be ashamed.”

    I’m not, but then unlike you, I’m not contradicting Palin’s very own story by claiming that she had no contractions.

  • Trish

    John–
    I take it back. You have no shame.

    First of all, I fabricated nothing. I read a news story which misquoted Palin as saying she did not have contractions. What it should have said was that this was not true labor. As to the claims that there is “no evidence” that Palin was under a doctor’s care or took the advice of her doctor, how about the word of the doctor?
    http://www.adn.com/626/story/382864.html
    Oh, wait, according to you nobody calls a physician a doctor.

    As to the statement that “knowing her medical history and condition” implies that she wasn’t pregnant–are you mad? A woman’s medical condition involves far more than the simple question of whether or not she is pregnant. I’m sure outdoorswoman Palin is in much better condition than I am.

    Leaking amniotic fluid is a cause for concern, but it does not necessarily demand immediate hospitalization. Her doctor said it was not unreasonable for her to fly back to Alaska. She did keep in touch with her doctor, and says she would not have traveled if she had been in labor. What evidence do you have that, if there had been a medical reason for her to check into a hospital with an NICU, what evidence do you have that she would not have done so? Palin used this physician because she delivered Palin’s last child, Piper, and Palin trusted her. I have yet to see even a shred of evidence that that trust was misplaced. Incidentally, my pregnancy was also considered “high-risk,” and I delivered my baby at a hospital that did not have an NICU. I guess that must mean I was trying to lose my baby.

    I did not say that Downs Syndrome was the major reason that older women are considered “high-risk,” but that it was a “large part.” And while the cause of Downs Syndrome exists before conception, the fetus does not. A condition cannot exist in a being that does not exist.

    I repeat: NO reputable physician of any kind would ever comment on another physician’s treatment of a patient without examining that patient and her medical history. That is completely unethical. It is fine to make general recommendations, but that is all. If you truly do know something about pregnancy and childbirth, then you know that every pregnancy is different. To say that one size fits all or that there is “nothing patient-specific” is patent nonsense. Sarah Palin did what she and her doctor decided was right.

    It’s interesting that now that you’ve made all these hostile accusations, you say primly, “I don’t believe they’re true.” Yes, you should be ashamed, but I guess you just aren’t capable of it.

  • John

    “First of all, I fabricated nothing. I read a news story which misquoted Palin as saying she did not have contractions.”

    Where’s your evidence that she was misquoted, Trish? After all, she lied about opposing the “bridge to nowhere” and about whether anyone on her staff had tried to get her ex-brother-in-law trooper fired, didn’t she?

    “What it should have said was that this was not true labor.”

    What evidence do you have? According to Palin herself, it wasn’t like false labor. If it wasn’t false, what was it?

    “As to the claims that there is “no evidence” that Palin was under a doctor’s care or took the advice of her doctor, how about the word of the doctor?”

    Trish, you’re being ridiculous. Here are my specific claims:
    1) There’s no evidence that she sought medical permission before going.
    2) There’s no evidence that she consulted any physician before going.

    Those are very specific points. I take it from your gross misrepresentation of them as far more general that you agree with them.

    “http://www.adn.com/626/story/382864.html
    Oh, wait, according to you nobody calls a physician a doctor.”

    Educated people generally don’t.

    “As to the statement that “knowing her medical history and condition” implies that she wasn’t pregnant–”

    I made no such statement. The total story makes no sense.

    “…are you mad?”

    Can you read?

    “Leaking amniotic fluid is a cause for concern, but it does not necessarily demand immediate hospitalization.”

    Straw man, as I pointed out that it demands immediate attention. Did you even read the ADN story, Trish?

    —-
    Still, a Sacramento, Calif., obstetrician who is active in the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, said when a pregnant woman’s water breaks, she should go right to the hospital because of the risk of infection. That’s true even if the amniotic fluid simply leaks out, said Dr. Laurie Gregg.

    “To us, leaking and broken, we are talking the same thing. We are talking doctor-speak,” Gregg said.
    —-

    Now I know from experience that even “going right to the hospital” is not the same as “hospitalization” because they do tests at the hospital and often, particularly for primiparous women, send them home to wait and be tested again.

    “Her doctor said it was not unreasonable for her to fly back to Alaska.”

    That’s the story, yup. It looks like malpractice to me, IF it’s true.

    “She did keep in touch with her doctor, and says she would not have traveled if she had been in labor.”

    If you knew much about pregnancy and childbirth, you’d know that there’s no bright white line separating being in vs. out of labor.

    “What evidence do you have that, if there had been a medical reason for her to check into a hospital with an NICU, what evidence do you have that she would not have done so?”

    There was a crystal-clear medical reason. She had a prenatal DS diagnosis and was a month early. Here’s an excerpt from a friend of mine, pediatric geneticist Golder Wilson:
    Down syndrome: Perinatal complications and counseling experiences in 216 patients
    Joanna K. Spahis, Golder N. Wilson *
    Department of Pediatrics, University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, 5323 Harry Hines Blvd., Dallas, TX 75235-9063

    Joanna Spahis is an advanced nurse practitioner interested in health promotion for children with genetic disease.
    Golder Wilson is a clinical geneticist interested in syndrome delineation, mechanisms of congenital malformation, and design of preventive management strategies for children with genetic/congenital disease.

    Two hundred and sixteen infant evaluations were selected for analysis from those of 669 outpatients (930 total visits) at a weekly Down syndrome clinic. Each record contained perinatal history and physical examination results, and 191 of the 216 included a systematic interview regarding parental experiences with diagnosis and counseling. Gastrointestinal problems (77% of neonates), cardiac anomalies (38%), and hematologic problems (11%) were the most common complications;…

    “Palin used this physician because she delivered Palin’s last child, Piper, and Palin trusted her.”

    No, Trish, that’s what she SAID. Palin has very little credibility. My point–which you keep missing–is that even if we take what she SAID to be true, it makes no sense.

    “I have yet to see even a shred of evidence that that trust was misplaced.”

    You haven’t looked. You conflate what Palin says with fact, and you consistently misrepresent my words and positions.

    “I repeat: NO reputable physician of any kind would ever comment on another physician’s treatment of a patient without examining that patient and her medical history. That is completely unethical.”

    Then you better contact the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and file an ethics complaint against Dr. Laurie Gregg, because she was crystal clear, not to mention correct:

    “…when a pregnant woman’s water breaks, she should go right to the hospital because of the risk of infection. That’s true even if the amniotic fluid simply leaks out, said Dr. Laurie Gregg.

    “To us, leaking and broken, we are talking the same thing. We are talking doctor-speak,” Gregg said.”

    Let me know how it goes, OK?

    “It is fine to make general recommendations, but that is all. If you truly do know something about pregnancy and childbirth, then you know that every pregnancy is different. To say that one size fits all or that there is “nothing patient-specific” is patent nonsense. Sarah Palin did what she and her doctor decided was right.”

    Only according to what they SAID. Palin has been caught contradicting herself many times in the last few days, correct?

  • Trish

    I tried to keep this reasonable and impersonal, John, and I’m sorry you can’t.
    I won’t let you turn this into a flame war, but I will make one point. You say that “educated people generally don’t” call a physician a doctor. Every physician I have ever personally known does use the word doctor. The American Heritage dictionary lists it as the first definition,
    http://www.bartleby.com/61/57/D0315700.html
    as does the Oxford English Dictionary.
    http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/doctor?view=uk
    Merriam-Webster also lists it as a definition.
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/doctor

  • John

    Trish,

    I accept your concession of every point I made with the exception of the term one should use to refer to physicians. You might want to look at the origin of the word “doctor.”

    Also, you’re the one who claimed that I had no shame, that what I am saying is despicable and vicious. IOW, you haven’t tried to keep it reasonable and impersonal at all. Most of your attempted rebuttals have involved misrepresentations of my words and positions.

  • A_Nonny_Mouse

    Wow, there’s been a lot of intensity here regarding Sen. Palin’s pregnancy, and her daughter’s pregnancy as well.

    I think back to an old advice column in which (drat — was it Dear Abby or Ann Landers?) responded to a busybody whose letter wondered about a woman who had a 7-pound baby only six months after the wedding: “The baby was on time, the marriage was a little late. Forget about it.” Dumb kids do dumb things. Daughter Bristol has enough difficulty ahead of her. Let it go.

    PS- to any and all who are second-guessing Sarah Palin’s choice of doctor, his treatment of her condition, how qualified he was to handle this pregnancy, etc: It’s none of your business. She gets to make her own health care decisions based on what she and her doctor and her family think is best. You have not been appointed to analyze her medical choices. Your opinions, however sincere and well-intentioned they may be, are totally irrelevant. You handle your health care with your doctor, she handles her health care with her doctor. Enough said.

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