The guy is saying he wants an “Israeli” type of system.

The Dems want SO BAD to employ a Mandatory Service requirement for all because it subjugates each and every one of us no matter our social spot in life.

The 1st commenter is correct. And frankly.. be ready to stand your ground.

13th Amendment: Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Google is your friend. Note that it also bans involuntary servitude except as a punishment. So, if I commit a misdemeanor, I can get Community Service, but I can’t be forced to do it otherwise.

It’s not similar to a draft, as it would be universal. A Hitler Youth organization, if you will.

Ah yes, the Obamajugend is already starting to fly, or is it the Obamastaffel? Never mind, it would have to be some odd acronym, since it’s leftist, like the NKVD (although I do like Obamajugend myself) I do wonder, however, if the national security force will bring back the goosestep?

Hmm, I see the left is now starting to feel warhawkish. Now we need a draft. Feeling big and bad. The draft was too good for the masses when the Republicans were in power. Now that the messiah is in charge, we’re all united in the heroic war effort. Yeah right…

I doubt the soldiers really want someone who isn’t willing to join voluntarily, at least the ones I know don’t. We don’t need a draft to fight this war. What we need is a sound war plan (and yes, that does involve killing some people, I know this makes the left cry tears of sorrow…I take that back, they won’t cry if it’s our soldiers killed, only the poor innocent enemy) and little interference from the political leadership.

Naturally, that won’t happen on Obama’s watch, so we’ll have part 2 of a politically correct war with whole new awesome and even more restricted ROEs! Go get ‘em Chuckles! Lead, Oh Dear Leader, Lead!

Naq,

It’s truly amazing how blinded you are by your hatred of all things left (or percieved left in your case) of Limbaugh, Hannity, ad nausuem to the point that you can’t even read a sentence and discern it’s obvious meaning. Again, I AM NOT IN SUPPORT OF A DRAFT OR MANDATORY SERVICE. Clear enough? I postulated that Emmanuel is testing the water with this civil service crap, not that I was in support of it (try reading what I wrote and stop projecting for a change).

Your revisonist history regarding the issue of the draft and Bush is laughable. Bushco did everything that they could to avoid the “D” word, including extended tours, draining NG resources from states and calling up 56 year old former Vietman era vets (I know this because my neighbor is one of them who got called up). If you had been awake the last 5 1/2 years you would know this. Some of the “leftnuts” including Charlie Rangel called for a draft but Bushco quickly squashed the idea. Hmmm, maybe because it might be unpopular to have middle class kids coming home in coffins for a dubious cause?

Let me make this clear for you since you seem to have some sort of mental disorder – Tourettes maybe? I am not leftist, nor suddenly “warhawkish”, nor am I a chickenshit armchair patriot like yourself. Nope. Did my time, bro. You didn’t. You pussed out because, as I remember, you had some sort of “medical issue” or something that kept you from joining the Marines. Oh, how dissapointed they must have been not to have your brave leadership. Trust me, right now they would take even you, so march on down there tough guy and show us how to get it done. Hell, the Air Force will take you with your “issue”, and since you’re so much smarter than the rest of us I’m sure they will give you an instant commission. Just try not to interpret any written documentation in front of them since you will probably get it wrong.

P.S.
Which president has cut funding for veteran’s benefits more than any modern leader?

Hint: It’s not Clinton

Chuck, honey–
Presidents can’t decrease or increase funding for any program. That job sits squarely on the shoulders of Congress.

I wonder if they’ll take a page out of other youth brigades; e.g. parents can opt their children out of participating, but it will bar them from educational resources and certain opportunities.

Huh. I’ll take it as a compliment that I was confused for Mat. High praise, in my book.

Trish,

If that’s true, then it makes it all the worse that the cutting of veterans benefits have happened under the republican controlled congress, which by my math would be the last 12 years. Way to support the troops.

Sorry Chuckles,

I don’t think I’m freaking out. I’m glad you have more faith in the voters than I do. The American people just voted in a guy based more on emotions than any real rationality (though it could also be said that McCain wasn’t exactly lucid at the end). Hugging and crying after someone is elected? Come on, that’s gushing emotional. If my candidate wins, I’m glad and maybe cheer for a second, but I would hardly be hugging and kissing a stranger and then bawl for hours over it. This guy has but two years in the Senate. That’s it. I wish that the Republicans fielded a stronger candidate, but good god. I mean, we might just as well have elected Gumby for president.

The problem is that you’re assuming the Democrats are going to act like the party they have in the past. Sorry, but this party and leadership is heaps different than the one Clinton inherited in 1992. It’s far more to the left and they have a plan to entrench themselves as the majority party for a long time to come. If you don’t want to believe that, well, it’ll happen anyway. Simply burying your head in the sand won’t change that fact.

I believe that I said efficiency is a good idea, but I don’t think taking 25% out of the budget is exactly “trimming.” That’s more like hacking massive chunks out and that will reduce overall effectiveness. If you think otherwise, fantastic. So much for force projection. Cutting the military budget in the middle of a shooting war (unlike the cold war) is not really a good idea in my opinion. Not exactly my idea of “supporting” the military, but at least the left are good sports about it. Go get ‘em babykillers…

I’m so glad the media focused on the hero Richard Clarke. Yes, Bush has a little blame. However, much of the al qaeda planning for the operation occurred on Clinton’s watch, so I’m sorry, that makes Slick Willie far more responsible for what happened. The fact is that the Clinton administration had no intention of dealing with the situation, so where was the vaunted Clarke during 1992-2000 (or was it just more important that he asserted himself during an entirely different administration) As for the offhand penis remark, Obama himself noted during the election that a president had to multitask. So you’re saying that Clinton couldn’t multitask because he couldn’t keep his fly zipped? Great, I’m glad we had him defending the country. I think you pretty much helped my argument there, so thanks.

I don’t believe that I said anything noble about Iraq. There’s generally nothing remotely noble about war. When it happens, you win it as soon as possible by inflicting the maximum amount of damage possible to the enemy while keeping your losses to a minimum (or has warfare changed that radically since the Boomers have taken over?). I would have to say that our enemy probably thinks at least along the same lines (although probably not minimum losses aspect).

I personally think it would have been a great central base to strike out at the other countries. It borders Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia. These three countries should have been hammered. What was a purely military situation developed into a silly campaign about democracy. I totally agree that none of those countries will ever have democracy (it’s a concept that works well in the West because it originated in the, well, West). I’m glad we got rid of Hussein, but I consider that more a bonus than any real objective.

As I stated before, I’m more concerned about American soldiers risking their necks than any of the enemy (if you prefer the term filthy ragheads, so be it). Again, your comments kinda proved my point about the left having more sympathy for the enemy than our own soldiers. An enemy is an enemy. When they stop fighting, they end up not being the enemy. That’s generally how war works. It’s messy, true, but then dead people don’t ty to fly planes into buildings or set off IEDs. It may be brutal, but you can’t argue its effectiveness. I’m sure that the al qaeda fighters were quite chivalrous when they slit the throats of those stewardesses when they hijacked the planes. Yeah, I do remember that tidbit of info, even if the leftnuts collectively forgot it.

I can argue that if Iraq was handled effectively (it wasn’t), then we would have lost a fraction of what we have lost thus far. However, 4,000 is a pittance compared to the amount we’ll lose if the messiah unilaterally withdraws from the area, only to send them in again when the region goes up in flames.

This will be a controversial question, since I never served (I’m sure the leftnuts will swarm all over me for being a “chickenhawk”), but how many dead does it take to win a war? 100? 1000? 10,000? Depends on the war. It took 360,000 on both sides to resolve the American Civil War and end slavery. Was it worth the price? It’s not an easy answer.

Let me ask the same thing regarding Vietnam. Bear in mind that I was born in 1973. We lost 58,000 men there. I know that the military was obsessed with body counts. But is that the real measure of victory? We could have bombed the rice fields in North Vietnam, which would have crippled their ability to wage war. It would have also caused millions of casualties. Would it have been worth it? Well, it would have probably saved thousands of American and South Vietnamese lives.

You make it sound that I relish the fact that we have 31,000 total casualties so far. I don’t. I do know for all the chest beating, the hair pulling and the crocodile tears the left loved every casualty that came across that TV screen. I’m angered greatly that we have lost as many because I think a lot of them could have been avoided provided that we actually wage a war the way it needs to be waged. I’m well aware that my ideas make people very uncomfortable. So be it. My question is how many will die due to Obama’s policies? That remains to be seen.

This one fortunately isn’t true.

Details from FactCheck (bipartisan).

Trish,

Like I said, republican the last 12 of 14 years. Thier benefits have been shrinking during this time, and yes, piss on the democrats for not reversing this to enough of a degree the last two years. I have heard of some vets having to pay for thier own plane fare from Germany after they have been medically discharged there, paying for thier own medical from combat injuries, etc. When they do finally get home, many of them have a huge amount of difficulty getting what remaining benefits they have. This is pure horseshit. These people lay it on the line for thier country and are then discarded when they aren’t useful anymore. No matter how I feel about the Iraq war, this is criminal.