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	<title>Comments on: Conservatives And The Environment And The Middle Class&#8211;UPDATED</title>
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		<title>By: Frank Keegan</title>
		<link>http://melissablogs.com/2008/11/24/conservatives-and-the-environment-and-the-middle-class/comment-page-1/#comment-11376</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Keegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.baltimoreexaminer.com/opinion/Species_ending_Its_our_call_story.html

Species ending? It&#039;s our call
By Frank Keegan
11/16/08

Relax general. Cheer up. Things shall get worse, but they could get better. The choice is ours.
Hearing a vice chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff utter the words “species ending” about our near future should be enough to wake us all.

Gen. James E. Cartwright uttered the phrase recently during the inaugural Johns Hopkins University Leaders + Legends lecture. He spoke on “Leading Organizational Change to Meet New Challenges.”

What challenges? Financial crises, climate change, weapons of mass destruction widely and readily available to rogue states and lunatic groups. Is that all? No.

“Competition (for scarce world resources) inevitably will lead to conflict,” Cartwright said. “Are we at a tipping point? Yes. Will we have control? No.”

Generals are interested because when leaders of state, commerce and church mess up, armed forces have to clean up.

Cartwright’s love and admiration for the men and women who fight for us if things go wrong is palpable. Figuring out when and where the next conflict breaks out, and how best to combat it, is what generals are supposed to do.

Now they also try to figure out why, and ways to prevent it. For example, a 2004 Department of Defense study determined global warming is the No. 1 threat to the security of the United States. How can that be if there is no such thing?

Just because history proves we turn upon ourselves when stressed with a ferocity unequaled by any other species, is there any reason to think this time will be different?

Nope, according to Cartwright. The stress level is rising, fast. Along with heating things up, we inflict upon ourselves an increasing host of things — from radioactive isotopes to organic chemicals to new and emerging diseases — never before endured by humans.

Family by family, friend by friend we now begin to see the price we pay for our toxic past. We have not seen the worst of it. Our despoiling of our narrow ecological niche leaves us little room for survival.

We are learning the real price of living it up instead of eating bread from the sweat of our brow. We arrogantly believe “the laws of Nature and Nature’s God” beseeched in our Declaration of Independence somehow do not apply to us.

Environmentalists weep about saving Earth when actually our planet is not at risk. We are. Other species come and go. Why not us?

Don’t worry about biodiversity. While exterminating thousands of species, we create opportunities for others. Cockroaches and rats are doing very well. Doing even better are myriad bacteria and viruses. For example, we’ve created perfect environments for growth and spread of staphylococcus and influenza, and the willfully ignorant and criminal negligence of our political and spiritual leaders helped HIV propagate around the globe in less than a decade. Thanks.

Sure, if we ceased all carbon dioxide emissions now it would take only 100,000 years to return to pre-industrial levels.

And those new substances -- we cannot even count them all -- we poison the born and unborn with will continue to kill us for millennia, especially if we use them as weapons.

But we and we alone hold the power to begin undoing what we have done. The hard fact is environmental responsibility is good business, creating jobs, adding real value and paying long-term dividends.

Environmental atrocities are bad business, merely deferring costs that accrue and compound -- costs we cannot refuse to pay. Our ecological deficit is orders of magnitude larger than our fiscal debts, though both grow from our same inherent flaws.

We can pay down both at the same time if we have the wisdom and will to take control.

If we do we can thrive and prosper. If we don’t, Gen. Cartwright is correct. We’re doomed.

Frank Keegan is editor of The Baltimore Examiner. Reach him at fkeegan@baltimoreexaminer.com.</description>
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<p>Species ending? It&#8217;s our call<br />
By Frank Keegan<br />
11/16/08</p>
<p>Relax general. Cheer up. Things shall get worse, but they could get better. The choice is ours.<br />
Hearing a vice chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff utter the words “species ending” about our near future should be enough to wake us all.</p>
<p>Gen. James E. Cartwright uttered the phrase recently during the inaugural Johns Hopkins University Leaders + Legends lecture. He spoke on “Leading Organizational Change to Meet New Challenges.”</p>
<p>What challenges? Financial crises, climate change, weapons of mass destruction widely and readily available to rogue states and lunatic groups. Is that all? No.</p>
<p>“Competition (for scarce world resources) inevitably will lead to conflict,” Cartwright said. “Are we at a tipping point? Yes. Will we have control? No.”</p>
<p>Generals are interested because when leaders of state, commerce and church mess up, armed forces have to clean up.</p>
<p>Cartwright’s love and admiration for the men and women who fight for us if things go wrong is palpable. Figuring out when and where the next conflict breaks out, and how best to combat it, is what generals are supposed to do.</p>
<p>Now they also try to figure out why, and ways to prevent it. For example, a 2004 Department of Defense study determined global warming is the No. 1 threat to the security of the United States. How can that be if there is no such thing?</p>
<p>Just because history proves we turn upon ourselves when stressed with a ferocity unequaled by any other species, is there any reason to think this time will be different?</p>
<p>Nope, according to Cartwright. The stress level is rising, fast. Along with heating things up, we inflict upon ourselves an increasing host of things — from radioactive isotopes to organic chemicals to new and emerging diseases — never before endured by humans.</p>
<p>Family by family, friend by friend we now begin to see the price we pay for our toxic past. We have not seen the worst of it. Our despoiling of our narrow ecological niche leaves us little room for survival.</p>
<p>We are learning the real price of living it up instead of eating bread from the sweat of our brow. We arrogantly believe “the laws of Nature and Nature’s God” beseeched in our Declaration of Independence somehow do not apply to us.</p>
<p>Environmentalists weep about saving Earth when actually our planet is not at risk. We are. Other species come and go. Why not us?</p>
<p>Don’t worry about biodiversity. While exterminating thousands of species, we create opportunities for others. Cockroaches and rats are doing very well. Doing even better are myriad bacteria and viruses. For example, we’ve created perfect environments for growth and spread of staphylococcus and influenza, and the willfully ignorant and criminal negligence of our political and spiritual leaders helped HIV propagate around the globe in less than a decade. Thanks.</p>
<p>Sure, if we ceased all carbon dioxide emissions now it would take only 100,000 years to return to pre-industrial levels.</p>
<p>And those new substances &#8212; we cannot even count them all &#8212; we poison the born and unborn with will continue to kill us for millennia, especially if we use them as weapons.</p>
<p>But we and we alone hold the power to begin undoing what we have done. The hard fact is environmental responsibility is good business, creating jobs, adding real value and paying long-term dividends.</p>
<p>Environmental atrocities are bad business, merely deferring costs that accrue and compound &#8212; costs we cannot refuse to pay. Our ecological deficit is orders of magnitude larger than our fiscal debts, though both grow from our same inherent flaws.</p>
<p>We can pay down both at the same time if we have the wisdom and will to take control.</p>
<p>If we do we can thrive and prosper. If we don’t, Gen. Cartwright is correct. We’re doomed.</p>
<p>Frank Keegan is editor of The Baltimore Examiner. Reach him at <a href="mailto:fkeegan@baltimoreexaminer.com">fkeegan@baltimoreexaminer.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: grubbsi</title>
		<link>http://melissablogs.com/2008/11/24/conservatives-and-the-environment-and-the-middle-class/comment-page-1/#comment-11362</link>
		<dc:creator>grubbsi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The perception that democrats do things to protect the environment and Republicans do not is one of the biggest lies of present day American politics.  A real evaluation of the actions of the last 5 or 6 governors of Texas would show how  untrue that is.  Policy makers really ought to listen to the technical experts, but they never do. Ever. Having politics and legislation invade the scientific discipline you have worked in for several decades is not a fun thing.  The really good scientists quit being open with their work and you get lots of second stringers who are either just in it for the money, or shameless advocates for one side or another. Or both. Most policy makers do not have adequate background to sift thru everything that gets thrown at them and separate the nuggets from the junk.  Maybe if more elected officials had hard science backgrounds, or put on staff positions where they had real , sharp science advisors, this might change.  Having worked in a field for 3 1/2 decades that was discovered by &quot;environmental activists&quot; in the early 90&#039;s I know only too well how totally messed up this is.

Since it is the left that wants to use the science for its own ends.  wants to ignore what does not support them and will accept anything that does support their &quot;causes&quot; that leaves conservatism the position of making sure that the science is properly done, checking the facts, exploring the different ideas being put foward. the &quot;right&quot; should insist on rigorous scientific method.  most activists do not have any concept  about the inherit ambiguities in data, or science in general.

environmental activists remind me of a 10 year old who is demanding the keys to a lamborghini.  They do not have the background to understand the science, cant discriminate what is hard fact, educated guess and outright lie.  The only way you can do that is to acquire the proper background knowledge.  That requires work, usually years of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The perception that democrats do things to protect the environment and Republicans do not is one of the biggest lies of present day American politics.  A real evaluation of the actions of the last 5 or 6 governors of Texas would show how  untrue that is.  Policy makers really ought to listen to the technical experts, but they never do. Ever. Having politics and legislation invade the scientific discipline you have worked in for several decades is not a fun thing.  The really good scientists quit being open with their work and you get lots of second stringers who are either just in it for the money, or shameless advocates for one side or another. Or both. Most policy makers do not have adequate background to sift thru everything that gets thrown at them and separate the nuggets from the junk.  Maybe if more elected officials had hard science backgrounds, or put on staff positions where they had real , sharp science advisors, this might change.  Having worked in a field for 3 1/2 decades that was discovered by &#8220;environmental activists&#8221; in the early 90&#8242;s I know only too well how totally messed up this is.</p>
<p>Since it is the left that wants to use the science for its own ends.  wants to ignore what does not support them and will accept anything that does support their &#8220;causes&#8221; that leaves conservatism the position of making sure that the science is properly done, checking the facts, exploring the different ideas being put foward. the &#8220;right&#8221; should insist on rigorous scientific method.  most activists do not have any concept  about the inherit ambiguities in data, or science in general.</p>
<p>environmental activists remind me of a 10 year old who is demanding the keys to a lamborghini.  They do not have the background to understand the science, cant discriminate what is hard fact, educated guess and outright lie.  The only way you can do that is to acquire the proper background knowledge.  That requires work, usually years of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://melissablogs.com/2008/11/24/conservatives-and-the-environment-and-the-middle-class/comment-page-1/#comment-11357</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberals use environmental initiatives as a means to accomplish their socialist and Marxist goals.  To the extent that environmentalism interferes with their goals, they ignore environmental issues.  During the Reagan years, the sky was falling and the hole in the ozone was the biggest problem ever encountered by man.  But the usual suspects were surprisingly quiet during the Clinton years.  Then Bush comes on the scene and the planet is in peril again.  Interesting pattern.
  
http://rightklik.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberals use environmental initiatives as a means to accomplish their socialist and Marxist goals.  To the extent that environmentalism interferes with their goals, they ignore environmental issues.  During the Reagan years, the sky was falling and the hole in the ozone was the biggest problem ever encountered by man.  But the usual suspects were surprisingly quiet during the Clinton years.  Then Bush comes on the scene and the planet is in peril again.  Interesting pattern.</p>
<p><a href="http://rightklik.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://rightklik.blogspot.com</a></p>
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