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		<title>By: beamish</title>
		<link>http://melissablogs.com/2009/06/10/why-supremacist-shoots-holocaust-memorial-guards/comment-page-1/#comment-15150</link>
		<dc:creator>beamish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;We are socialists, we are enemies of today&#039;s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.&quot;&lt;i&gt; - left-wing German labor activist Adolf Hitler, &quot;May Day&quot; May 1, 1927</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;We are socialists, we are enemies of today&#8217;s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.&#8221;</i><i> &#8211; left-wing German labor activist Adolf Hitler, &#8220;May Day&#8221; May 1, 1927</i></p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://melissablogs.com/2009/06/10/why-supremacist-shoots-holocaust-memorial-guards/comment-page-1/#comment-15148</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really?

You really don&#039;t red much history, huh?

Chiropractic practice aside; read some history, stay away from right-wing blogs and talk radio and actually learn something. You are a tool &quot;D&quot; level tool of that goddamn echo chamber.

Shouldn&#039;t you be smarter than that?

Read a history book, for Christ sakes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really?</p>
<p>You really don&#8217;t red much history, huh?</p>
<p>Chiropractic practice aside; read some history, stay away from right-wing blogs and talk radio and actually learn something. You are a tool &#8220;D&#8221; level tool of that goddamn echo chamber.</p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t you be smarter than that?</p>
<p>Read a history book, for Christ sakes!</p>
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		<title>By: dr winger</title>
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		<dc:creator>dr winger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He is a socialist in the sense of National Socialism.  He is a (neo-)Nazi.  I would suggest viewing his politics through his overriding anti-semitism.  9-11 truth has been exploited by paranoid extremists of all kinds.

It&#039;s easy to pick two or three points and say &quot;these are rightist ideas&quot; or &quot;these are leftist ideas,&quot; but that ignores the ideological background that led to them.  Abortion was banned under the Nazis not because of any concern for unborn life.  Similarly, Nazi eugenics weren&#039;t based on any concern for the welfare of the terminally ill.

Again, using Von Brunn to tar mainstream conservatives is unfair.  There&#039;s no need to misrepresent the truth to defend yourself, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is a socialist in the sense of National Socialism.  He is a (neo-)Nazi.  I would suggest viewing his politics through his overriding anti-semitism.  9-11 truth has been exploited by paranoid extremists of all kinds.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to pick two or three points and say &#8220;these are rightist ideas&#8221; or &#8220;these are leftist ideas,&#8221; but that ignores the ideological background that led to them.  Abortion was banned under the Nazis not because of any concern for unborn life.  Similarly, Nazi eugenics weren&#8217;t based on any concern for the welfare of the terminally ill.</p>
<p>Again, using Von Brunn to tar mainstream conservatives is unfair.  There&#8217;s no need to misrepresent the truth to defend yourself, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Melissa Clouthier</title>
		<link>http://melissablogs.com/2009/06/10/why-supremacist-shoots-holocaust-memorial-guards/comment-page-1/#comment-15145</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Melissa Clouthier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s a registered Democrat. He&#039;s a socialist. He&#039;s a truther. I don&#039;t know in what world that would qualify him as a right winger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s a registered Democrat. He&#8217;s a socialist. He&#8217;s a truther. I don&#8217;t know in what world that would qualify him as a right winger.</p>
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		<title>By: dr winger</title>
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		<dc:creator>dr winger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems many of you are confused.  I will try to clarify.  &quot;Movement&quot; conservatism is a right-wing ideology.  There are a variety of ideologies that could also be described as right-wing.  Many of these ideologies conflict with each other: witness the bitter debates between neoconservatives and paleoconservatives.  Nazism is a right-wing ideology.  This does not mean that what mainstream conservatives think is what Von Brunn thinks.  This does not mean that conservatives are Nazis.  You should remember that much of the German opposition to Hitler was conservative and nationalistic in character (partly due to the elimination of left groups early in his reign, but whatever).  Calling Von Brunn a &quot;leftist&quot; is risible and dishonest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems many of you are confused.  I will try to clarify.  &#8220;Movement&#8221; conservatism is a right-wing ideology.  There are a variety of ideologies that could also be described as right-wing.  Many of these ideologies conflict with each other: witness the bitter debates between neoconservatives and paleoconservatives.  Nazism is a right-wing ideology.  This does not mean that what mainstream conservatives think is what Von Brunn thinks.  This does not mean that conservatives are Nazis.  You should remember that much of the German opposition to Hitler was conservative and nationalistic in character (partly due to the elimination of left groups early in his reign, but whatever).  Calling Von Brunn a &#8220;leftist&#8221; is risible and dishonest.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>beamish, you are out of your mind, L&#039;il Limbot:

From the Council on Foreign Relations (a decidedly better source than Rush Limbaugh):

What types of domestic terrorism are there?

The FBI classifies domestic terrorist threats mostly by political motive, dividing them into three main categories: left-wing, right-wing, and special-interest. Religious sects have also been connected with terrorist incidents.

What is left-wing domestic terrorism? Terrorist activity by anticapitalist revolutionary groups. In the late nineteenth century, immigrants from Eastern Europe sympathetic to the international anarchist movement launched what historians consider the first wave of domestic terrorism in the United States. Anarchists tried to kill the steel tycoon Henry Clay Frick in 1892 and bombed Chicago’s Haymarket in 1898. In 1901, an anarchist sympathizer named Leon Czolgosz assassinated President William McKinley in Buffalo, New York.

Another wave of left-wing terrorist activity began in the 1960s. Far-left groups such as the Weather Underground, the Symbionese Liberation Army, and the Armed Forces for Puerto Rican National Liberation (FALN) used bombings and kidnappings to draw attention to their radical causes. By the mid-1980s, however, left-wing terrorism had begun to wane.

Are left-wing domestic terrorists still active?

The only such groups still active, experts say, are Puerto Rican separatists, but even their activists have been scaled back. In its heyday, the FALN tried to kill President Truman, stormed the House of Representatives, and set off bombs in New York City, but Puerto Rican extremists today tend to confine their activities to Puerto Rico. On another front, the FBI warns that anarchist and socialist groups, which have seen a revival since the 1999 World Trade Organization meeting in Seattle, represent “a latent but potential terrorist threat.”

What is right-wing domestic terrorism?

Terrorism motivated by opposition to federal taxation and regulation, the United Nations, other international organizations, and the U.S. government itself, as well as by a hatred of racial and religious minorities. This type of terrorism, which has roots in the activities of white supremacist groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and antigovernment groups, flourished in the 1980s. FBI officials say right-wing militants—including skinheads, neo-Nazis, militia members, and the so-called Christian Patriot movement—now pose America’s most serious domestic terrorist threat.

What attacks have been conducted by right-wing terrorists?

Examples of right-wing domestic terrorism include:

* the April 1995 Oklahoma City bombing; 
* the July 1996 bombing at Centennial Park during the Atlanta Olympics, which killed one person and injured more than 100; 
* the summer 1999 shooting sprees by lone gunmen targeting minorities in the Chicago and Los Angeles metropolitan areas, which left three people dead.

Law enforcement officials have prevented planned attacks on government offices and other right-wing terrorist plots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>beamish, you are out of your mind, L&#8217;il Limbot:</p>
<p>From the Council on Foreign Relations (a decidedly better source than Rush Limbaugh):</p>
<p>What types of domestic terrorism are there?</p>
<p>The FBI classifies domestic terrorist threats mostly by political motive, dividing them into three main categories: left-wing, right-wing, and special-interest. Religious sects have also been connected with terrorist incidents.</p>
<p>What is left-wing domestic terrorism? Terrorist activity by anticapitalist revolutionary groups. In the late nineteenth century, immigrants from Eastern Europe sympathetic to the international anarchist movement launched what historians consider the first wave of domestic terrorism in the United States. Anarchists tried to kill the steel tycoon Henry Clay Frick in 1892 and bombed Chicago’s Haymarket in 1898. In 1901, an anarchist sympathizer named Leon Czolgosz assassinated President William McKinley in Buffalo, New York.</p>
<p>Another wave of left-wing terrorist activity began in the 1960s. Far-left groups such as the Weather Underground, the Symbionese Liberation Army, and the Armed Forces for Puerto Rican National Liberation (FALN) used bombings and kidnappings to draw attention to their radical causes. By the mid-1980s, however, left-wing terrorism had begun to wane.</p>
<p>Are left-wing domestic terrorists still active?</p>
<p>The only such groups still active, experts say, are Puerto Rican separatists, but even their activists have been scaled back. In its heyday, the FALN tried to kill President Truman, stormed the House of Representatives, and set off bombs in New York City, but Puerto Rican extremists today tend to confine their activities to Puerto Rico. On another front, the FBI warns that anarchist and socialist groups, which have seen a revival since the 1999 World Trade Organization meeting in Seattle, represent “a latent but potential terrorist threat.”</p>
<p>What is right-wing domestic terrorism?</p>
<p>Terrorism motivated by opposition to federal taxation and regulation, the United Nations, other international organizations, and the U.S. government itself, as well as by a hatred of racial and religious minorities. This type of terrorism, which has roots in the activities of white supremacist groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and antigovernment groups, flourished in the 1980s. FBI officials say right-wing militants—including skinheads, neo-Nazis, militia members, and the so-called Christian Patriot movement—now pose America’s most serious domestic terrorist threat.</p>
<p>What attacks have been conducted by right-wing terrorists?</p>
<p>Examples of right-wing domestic terrorism include:</p>
<p>* the April 1995 Oklahoma City bombing;<br />
* the July 1996 bombing at Centennial Park during the Atlanta Olympics, which killed one person and injured more than 100;<br />
* the summer 1999 shooting sprees by lone gunmen targeting minorities in the Chicago and Los Angeles metropolitan areas, which left three people dead.</p>
<p>Law enforcement officials have prevented planned attacks on government offices and other right-wing terrorist plots.</p>
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		<title>By: beamish</title>
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		<dc:creator>beamish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anti-Semitism is but one thread that ties leftist thinkers like Marx, Proudhon, Bakunin, and Hitler together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anti-Semitism is but one thread that ties leftist thinkers like Marx, Proudhon, Bakunin, and Hitler together.</p>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Weak track record on foreign policy?”
Huh?
Obama is attempting to engage the Muslim world, which is our biggest challenge on the world stage.&quot;

One can be diplomatic to the muslim world, but understand that Islamic viewpoints towards the West differ radically from how the West perceives them.  Obama will not change that basic fact, no matter how much &quot;hoping&quot; you want.

&quot;You are merely parroting what you hear on talk radio and FOX News.&quot;

Not at all.  I don&#039;t think one needs to either listen or watch those to come to certain conclusions.  

&quot;Tomorrow’s Muslim terrorist is today’s Muslim kid. A change in rhetoric from the US is needed, and we need to seek common ground, not continue to speak in divisive terminology.&quot;

I don&#039;t think going over to Cairo for a few days is going to change the minds of millions of Muslim kids who are being brainwashed in the madrassas year round.  If you wish to think otherwise, well all I can say is that I hope I&#039;m not in the middle when the proverbial shit hits the fan.  Obviously, you&#039;re not paying attention to what&#039;s happening in Europe.  The muslims there are becoming very vocal and aggressive, meaning anti-Western.

There is little common ground between the Muslim world and the West.  The cultural differences are way too great.  But keep living in playtime land if you want.  I find it ironic that we try to pull our punches but much of the Islamic media is virulently anti-West.  

&quot;This ain’t the Wild West.
Time for conservatives to grow up and remember that the world isn’t a western, and we’re not John Wayne.&quot;

Well, in a sense, the world is very much Western.  Most of the technology of every country in the world is based on the West.  That&#039;s the result of the European expansion starting in the 1500&#039;s, for better or for worse.  

We may not be John Wayne anymore, but consider this.  Someone has to be in charge.  If you look at history, some empire or another was the top dog.  Now you may think that this country sucks, but would you really rather have the Chinese or even the Muslims calling the shots?  Because what we&#039;re doing right now is eroding our influence.  Now consider the implications of the said above in charge.  That means they do what they want and we&#039;re relegated to what Europe is to us now.  You really want to be that toothless?  Always remember that there are consequences to every decision.  

Power is derived from one real source:  economics.  If our economy tanks, then we won&#039;t have the money to maintain a credible military, but more importantly we won&#039;t have economic influence.  Culture is tied to economics.  You really think people pay attention to us because we&#039;re so wonderful?  Horseshit!  Look at this country&#039;s beginnings and the international attitudes towards us at that time for some indication.  They pay attention to our military power and our economic strength, which enhances our culture, and it&#039;s worked.  We lose that and I guarantee you that other countries will simply look at us with disdain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Weak track record on foreign policy?”<br />
Huh?<br />
Obama is attempting to engage the Muslim world, which is our biggest challenge on the world stage.&#8221;</p>
<p>One can be diplomatic to the muslim world, but understand that Islamic viewpoints towards the West differ radically from how the West perceives them.  Obama will not change that basic fact, no matter how much &#8220;hoping&#8221; you want.</p>
<p>&#8220;You are merely parroting what you hear on talk radio and FOX News.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not at all.  I don&#8217;t think one needs to either listen or watch those to come to certain conclusions.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Tomorrow’s Muslim terrorist is today’s Muslim kid. A change in rhetoric from the US is needed, and we need to seek common ground, not continue to speak in divisive terminology.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think going over to Cairo for a few days is going to change the minds of millions of Muslim kids who are being brainwashed in the madrassas year round.  If you wish to think otherwise, well all I can say is that I hope I&#8217;m not in the middle when the proverbial shit hits the fan.  Obviously, you&#8217;re not paying attention to what&#8217;s happening in Europe.  The muslims there are becoming very vocal and aggressive, meaning anti-Western.</p>
<p>There is little common ground between the Muslim world and the West.  The cultural differences are way too great.  But keep living in playtime land if you want.  I find it ironic that we try to pull our punches but much of the Islamic media is virulently anti-West.  </p>
<p>&#8220;This ain’t the Wild West.<br />
Time for conservatives to grow up and remember that the world isn’t a western, and we’re not John Wayne.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, in a sense, the world is very much Western.  Most of the technology of every country in the world is based on the West.  That&#8217;s the result of the European expansion starting in the 1500&#8242;s, for better or for worse.  </p>
<p>We may not be John Wayne anymore, but consider this.  Someone has to be in charge.  If you look at history, some empire or another was the top dog.  Now you may think that this country sucks, but would you really rather have the Chinese or even the Muslims calling the shots?  Because what we&#8217;re doing right now is eroding our influence.  Now consider the implications of the said above in charge.  That means they do what they want and we&#8217;re relegated to what Europe is to us now.  You really want to be that toothless?  Always remember that there are consequences to every decision.  </p>
<p>Power is derived from one real source:  economics.  If our economy tanks, then we won&#8217;t have the money to maintain a credible military, but more importantly we won&#8217;t have economic influence.  Culture is tied to economics.  You really think people pay attention to us because we&#8217;re so wonderful?  Horseshit!  Look at this country&#8217;s beginnings and the international attitudes towards us at that time for some indication.  They pay attention to our military power and our economic strength, which enhances our culture, and it&#8217;s worked.  We lose that and I guarantee you that other countries will simply look at us with disdain.</p>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...I wish right-wingers would make up their minds: are Democrats/liberals/Obama fascists, socialists or communists?&quot;

I prefer communist, since fascism refers to conservatism.  The Nazis simply took the original Italian concepts of fascism and expanded them to create the horrors of National Socialism.  The term &quot;fascism&quot; derives from the Roman fasces, which was that bundle of sticks wrapped around an axe.  This symbolized the Roman Senate and People of Rome&#039;s (SPQR) idea of strength (axe) and unity (bundle of sticks).   

Since we all know what the Nazis did, the horrors of National Socialism were transplanted onto fascism as a whole.  This is kinda silly, since Spain was &quot;fascist until Franco&#039;s death in the late 1970&#039;s.

So, obviously, leftists cannot be fascists.  However, as I said, they can be communists, who can be &quot;wonderfully&quot; tyrannical (think of Stalin and Pol Pot) when they want to be.  I can point out to the &quot;sparkling utopias&quot; of the USSR, Eastern Bloc states, Southeast Asia, PRC, North Korea, etc.

It&#039;s all a matter of perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;I wish right-wingers would make up their minds: are Democrats/liberals/Obama fascists, socialists or communists?&#8221;</p>
<p>I prefer communist, since fascism refers to conservatism.  The Nazis simply took the original Italian concepts of fascism and expanded them to create the horrors of National Socialism.  The term &#8220;fascism&#8221; derives from the Roman fasces, which was that bundle of sticks wrapped around an axe.  This symbolized the Roman Senate and People of Rome&#8217;s (SPQR) idea of strength (axe) and unity (bundle of sticks).   </p>
<p>Since we all know what the Nazis did, the horrors of National Socialism were transplanted onto fascism as a whole.  This is kinda silly, since Spain was &#8220;fascist until Franco&#8217;s death in the late 1970&#8242;s.</p>
<p>So, obviously, leftists cannot be fascists.  However, as I said, they can be communists, who can be &#8220;wonderfully&#8221; tyrannical (think of Stalin and Pol Pot) when they want to be.  I can point out to the &#8220;sparkling utopias&#8221; of the USSR, Eastern Bloc states, Southeast Asia, PRC, North Korea, etc.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all a matter of perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Weak track record on foreign policy?&quot;
Huh?
Obama is attempting to engage the Muslim world, which is our biggest challenge on the world stage. 
You are merely parroting what you hear on talk radio and FOX News. 
Tomorrow&#039;s Muslim terrorist is today&#039;s Muslim kid. A change in rhetoric from the US is needed, and we need to seek common ground, not continue to speak in divisive terminology.
This ain&#039;t the Wild West.
Time for conservatives to grow up and remember that the world isn&#039;t a western, and we&#039;re not John Wayne.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Weak track record on foreign policy?&#8221;<br />
Huh?<br />
Obama is attempting to engage the Muslim world, which is our biggest challenge on the world stage.<br />
You are merely parroting what you hear on talk radio and FOX News.<br />
Tomorrow&#8217;s Muslim terrorist is today&#8217;s Muslim kid. A change in rhetoric from the US is needed, and we need to seek common ground, not continue to speak in divisive terminology.<br />
This ain&#8217;t the Wild West.<br />
Time for conservatives to grow up and remember that the world isn&#8217;t a western, and we&#8217;re not John Wayne.</p>
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