Insane HuffPo Writer Of The Day–UPDATED « Blog Entry

Insane HuffPo Writer Of The Day–UPDATED

June 21, 2009 / 9:33 am • By Dr. Melissa Clouthier

The only thing disturbing about the post by Frank Shaeffer I’m going to link to is that the Left generally believes it:

If the far right of the Republican Party and we of the Religious Right had had our way by now there would be a constitutional amendment and/or laws forcing prayer in schools, disenfranchising gay men and women, banning all abortions under penalty of death, banning gay men and women from serving in the military, launching a neoconservative led and religious right backed holy war against Islam, fixing Israel’s borders permanently to incorporate all the land taken in 1967 forever into a “Greater Israel” based on the “fact” that “God gave the Jews” the land “forever,” capital punishment would be used routinely to punish a variety of crimes including being gay, civil rights for blacks, women, gays, unions would be in retreat, and — other than enforcing “morality” – George W. Bush’s style of “free market” non-governance would be permanent.

Think this is all far fetched? Then you never sat in secret meetings with Pat Robertson or the late Dr. Kennedy — as I did when I was a religious right leader — fomenting plans to “bring America back to God.” If we’d won America would be a slicker more dangerous version of Iran.

Since the content is pure, unmitigated insanity, it should be laughable. But no. The people who voted for President Obama, believe this. They believe that Christians against abortion in America are more dangerous than suicide bombers in Iran. The Christians are just as evil and slicker too.

This sort of moral equivalence will be the end of Western Civilization and should be labeled as the rantings of a crazy loon. The HuffPo readers and the press who take their musings as gospel, give credence to this crap.

UPDATED:

Good thing I just specified the Huffington Post. If I had included the whole Media-Leftist complex this could have been the winner. [H/T Instapundit]

Who displays more fascist love, CNN or HuffPo? Hard to tell…..

Posted in Political Animals

fuster

Try to let a little of the paranoid go. This doesn’t represent the views of more than a small group of people on the left who fear the small group of people who believe the crazy crap cited.
Unless your as crazy as the rest of them, Melissa, (and considering some of the nutty stuff about ice cream and Biden turds that may be), don’t try to paint the extremists of the face of the left.
Glynn W.

If you took out the last line, “If we’d won America would be a slicker more dangerous version of Iran.” Isn’t the rest of it true?
DaveR

Why is it that NON-Republicans are touted and being the “voice” of the Republican Party? An “R” by your name doesn’t mean you’re a Republican in Views and Beliefs. Most of these are as Republican as Powell.
Naqamel

As a proud member of the “far right”…

If the far right of the Republican Party and we of the Religious Right had had our way by now there would be a constitutional amendment and/or laws forcing prayer in schools

No, I don’t want to force prayer in schools. However, I do want to stop punishing kids who exercise their right of Free Speech and Freedom of Religion and choose to pray in school..

disenfranchising gay men and women

Disenfranchising how? By not supporting gay marriage? The reality of the situation is that the only reason Government started recognizing marriages at all was to govern the inheritance of land and title among biological offspring – and that led to rules such as the Son of the King’s wife had more of a claim to the throne than did the older, bastard son of the King’s mistress.

Since a homosexual union creates no biological offspring, there’s no reason for the government to recognize a homosexual relationship as a marriage.

banning all abortions under penalty of death

Sorry, here in Texas to get the death sentence you have to commit murder plus one other felony.

And make no mistake about it: Abortion is murder.

banning gay men and women from serving in the military

I suppose you think that morale in the military doesn’t matter?

launching a neoconservative led and religious right backed holy war against Islam

Uh, newsflash: They attacked US. Several times. We just want to fight back.

fixing Israel’s borders permanently to incorporate all the land taken in 1967 forever into a “Greater Israel” based on the “fact” that “God gave the Jews” the land “forever,”

No, we want to give Israel the land they conquered in a War that they didn’t start, yet won.

capital punishment would be used routinely to punish a variety of crimes including being gay,

This is ridiculous, and anyone who thinks the Right favors this is batshit insane.

civil rights for blacks

Christians were at the forefront in the Civil Rights movement. Get a history book and a clue.

women, gays, unions would be in retreat

Unions might be in retreat, because of Free Market principles on the right, but that’s not a religious matter.

, and — other than enforcing “morality” – George W. Bush’s style of “free market” non-governance would be permanent.

Non-Governance?

Has Obama the Pussy done anything to support the protesters in Iran?

Oh, he took his girls out for Ice Cream while the Basij murdered innocent women like Neda in the streets?

Change you can believe in.
fuster

Naqamel, there’s a suppleness in that reasoning that probably matches a physical agility allowing you to hold and eat a banana without the use of hands.
DaveR

Way to go Fuster – right to name calling.
Naqamel

Way to go Fuster – right to name calling.

Unfortunately it’s typical of the Left these days.
fuster

DaveR I’m replying to someone ending their comment with “Obama the Pussy” and you want to bust me for name calling?

Really?
DaveR

He’s talking about OB – NOT another poster.

There is a difference.
fuster

Dave, if you want to play it that way, point out the name that I called.
DaveR

Let’s see…so what does it mean when you say someone can hold and eat a banana with out using their hands? That doesn’t refer to a specific mammal?

Just because you didn’t use a term specifically, you inferred it by your description. I could say you’re being a south end of a north bound Mustang, and everyone would get it. I didn’t actually call you a name there did I? It is typical off 99% of you Lib posters – you can’t back up your arguments with fact and resort to ad-homonyms and “attacking the messenger” to get everyone off topic.
Naqamel

Hey fuster: Considering that Obama’s foreign policy seems to be the Ostrich-like “bury my head in the sand and pray it goes away” – see North Korea and Iran as the two most recent examples… I’ll give you a chance to convince me that Obama is NOT a giant Pussy.
fuster

Dave, what’s the argument?
Beyond you telling me that I’m being ill-mannered in my reply to Naqamel and my saying that yes, I am being ill-mannered to someone that I consider to have placed a comment ill-mannered and in other ways deficient, what’s in dispute?
DaveR

Well, fuster, what’s the story about? How about commenting on that? Oh, that’s right all your assertions have already been dis-proven, by Naq’s great post. You have nothing to add beside us “presumadly” saying something bout “Biden turds” (your fist post in this comments).

When you have no less that 7 major networks and 10′s of MAJOR (well, not much so anymore) newpapers who spew this pap every single day, and keep reporting Opinion as “News”, that’s not a “small” matter.

You have a 70′s Dem, who “became” a “R” back in the 80′s to stay in office, now reverting back to his roots of Liberalism and passing off his personal bias and scare reporting about Republican as “fact”. You “say” you don’t like it, but yet you are criticizing US for pointing this out. Is it really like Jack said? “You can’t handle the truth!”
fuster

Dave, I did comment on the post and the story in my first comment.
To rehash, I don’t agree with Shaeffer and his bs, and I don’t agree with Clouthier’s trying to say that Shaeffer’s opinions reflect the opinions of liberals.
I don’t think I’m real insecure in my opinions, Dave. I can handle disagreement and that will become clear, if it hasn’t already. I’m not at all critical of pointing out the errors in Shaeffer’s opinions, and if you want a much, much better job of dismantling Shaeffer, go to The optimisticconservative’s Blog.
Read Dyer and you’ll get to appreciate someone representing the hard right and able to express that POV with erudition and lucidity.
fuster

and oh yeah, there are five or six problems with that Naq post that you seem to like.
http://stixblog.com Stix

I think there is a little misunderstanding both on the Right and the Left. The name calling and pointing out the other foibles is the constant game in politics. I do not agree all on the Left are Terrorists enablers, but the majority you hear about are. And Obama’s lack of support for freedom in Iran does not help

And do I think anything about this idiots rant on what the Right wing is all about has anything to do with what me, as Part of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy thinks???? Hell no. that is a tiny part of the Right. the Majority of the right are for freedom of expression and getting the Government out of our lives.

The Majority of these miconceptions are brought on by the MSM and their inability to look outside of their own biases in my opinion.
http://blahgwrite.blogspot.com Mat

Stix,

There’s no misunderstanding at all. The right wants less government. The left wants more government. Not much of a misunderstanding.

Naq, don’t listen to fuster. That person isn’t really worth the time. It’s like talking to a four year old that hasn’t developed yet.
fuster

The kind of annoying four-year old who points and laughs and says that man is wearing no clothes when Mat says something counterfactual.
http://stixblog.com Stix

Mat

I agree. But there is much misunderstanding in actual what the Right and Left believe. Not all on the Right are Religious Right, and not all on the Left are fnas of Hezzbollah and the Al Queda. But both argue back and forth both of these fallacies

I do agree the Right wants less government and the Left wants more government. But neither is evil or wants America to fail. But we want the same thing, we just think a different way of doing it.
Erica

Frank Shaeffer scares me far more than what the “dangerous James Dobson” will ever do.
The sad thing is that the youth are reading Huffpo and they believe the lies.
http://blahgwrite.blogspot.com Mat

Stix,

I have to disagree. The left does want to turn this country into a communist “paradise.” The followers of Marx will keep going until they get their way. The hard core of the Democratic Party right now is essentially Marxist.

The religious right, the group the left always rails about, wants a religious society. The way things are right now, however, that’s not going to happen. We have way too many different thoughts on what should be and what shouldn’t be for that to happen.

Therefore, I think it’s much more likely that the country will become communist than a Christian Iran.

Always remember that it’s not the masses who change history. It’s a small, dedicated group of individuals who push themselves into power to make radical change. Right now, it’s a small group of leftists who are running the Democratic Party. The Republicans are rudderless. That’s the situation as it stands right now.
http://stixblog.com Stix

I agree that the Left wants to bring the Socialist Paradise here. What I am saying that I do not think they are evil people, just that we have a different idea about how to get America backs on its feet. I think Socialism is evil, but the Left has been brainwashed for a long time into thinking it is the only way. I look at it as the saying goes, “hate the sin, not the sinner”

And no amount of historical facts can or will change most of their minds, because they feel not think about politics. Most of the worst laws passed were supposed to be for the benefit of the people , but usually only hurt them. But it makes the Left Feel good. Just look at the Global Warming advocates. There is hardly any evidence for Manmade GW, just computer models that have been shown to be false all the time, but they want to tax us to death save the Earth. The Earth has been around for 5 billion years,I do not think our little blip can harm the Earth.
http://blahgwrite.blogspot.com Mat

“I agree that the Left wants to bring the Socialist Paradise here. What I am saying that I do not think they are evil people, just that we have a different idea about how to get America backs on its feet. I think Socialism is evil, but the Left has been brainwashed for a long time into thinking it is the only way. I look at it as the saying goes, ‘hate the sin, not the sinner’”

Perhaps, but when someone like Janeane Garofolo (and she’s not the only one) goes on
a TV show and declares that all Republicans and conservatives should be put into concentration camps because they’re basically subhuman (and the crowd goes wild with cheers), I kinda have to question your statement. I do think those people are evil. We’ve seen these types of people before and they are capable of truly awful things. Make no mistake; if the Left could get away with it, they’d try to wipe us out. That seems to be the solution of choice for Communists (although rightist dictatorships are the same way).

I distinctly remember something that one of the Weatherman members said a while back about having no qualms about possibly killing millions of people to push their ideology if they could do it. That’s the type of mentality that conservatives are facing today. Am I advocating violence? Nope, but I do think we should at least be aware of what’s going on and what the Left is capable of.

So after that long winding explanation, I do think that many of those people can be quite evil and that they’d be willing executioners.

“And no amount of historical facts can or will change most of their minds, because they feel not think about politics.”

Well, that may be true of the rank and file, but you can bet your ass that the leadership is fully capable of thinking politically. How do you think they got themselves into this position? They thought long-term.

While Conservatives thought short-term in the political arena about how many votes they could get from certain states, the Left took over the educational, legal and later on the political institutions and they did this when the Boomer radicals stopped protesting in the 60′s and early 70′s (they turned to the universities instead to get their degrees and move into the power structures). The left now has a very powerful presence in legal circles (good luck trying to roll back some of the nonsense that has been and will be legislated). More importantly, they have full control of the educational arena, which is why 2/3s of people in their 20′s and 30′s decided that Obama was so hip and cool even though they’re the ones who will pay the price later on for all the stuff that’s going on now. They were brainwashed into being good leftists. I know because I work at a university and I see it every day.

All of this translates into the huge political gains of the last couple of years (not to mention that the Republicans had no message whatsoever). I don’t see this changing in the near future either.
http://stixblog.com Stix

Mat

we may just have to agree to disagree. I do not think Jeneane Garafalo is evil, misguided and says moronic things,but evil?? NO. Do you really think she want to do all those things??? She has to say those things or no one would listen to her. And not all on the Left are that idiotic in their thinking of the Right. Yes, a lot of them do, but there are some sensible people on the Left.

Hitler. He was evil. Pol Pot Evil Stalin Evil Mao and the rest of the genocidal Communist leaders yes. But we got the useful idiots here spouting off nonsense they learned in college. They are all brainwashed by the feelings of helping their fellow neighbors, but in reality they are only harming them.
http://blahgwrite.blogspot.com Mat

“we may just have to agree to disagree.”

That’s fine, there’s nothing wrong with that. But a few points…

“I do not think Jeneane Garafalo is evil, misguided and says moronic things,but evil?? NO. Do you really think she want to do all those things??? She has to say those things or no one would listen to her. And not all on the Left are that idiotic in their thinking of the Right.”

Maybe, maybe not, see my response to this below, as your second paragraph is a good example of what I mean.

“Yes, a lot of them do, but there are some sensible people on the Left.”

When the shit hits the fan, it’s often the fanatics who are able to take charge. One example that’s highly relevant is the Iranian Revolution of 1979.

“Hitler. He was evil. Pol Pot Evil Stalin Evil Mao and the rest of the genocidal Communist leaders yes. But we got the useful idiots here spouting off nonsense they learned in college. They are all brainwashed by the feelings of helping their fellow neighbors, but in reality they are only harming them.”

And what’s the real difference between intent and actually doing the act? That the intent hasn’t actually been done yet. Hitler was evil, but he also wrote down all the stuff he eventually did in Mein Kampf. It’s all there for everyone to see. He made no bones about it. People just didn’t believe that he’d actually follow through. Same with Stalin and Mao, and I’m sure Pol Pot made similar comments when he was moving up in the ranks of the Khmer Rouge. My point is that they all did what they said they were going to do. Are you going to just sit back and tell me that I shouldn’t worry because they haven’t actually followed through? Please. It’s that type of thinking that leads to the massacres. And believe me, it could easily happen in this country. Just because we’re the good ole’ USofA does not exclude us from that possibility. That’s why I said we always need to be at least on our guard.

You really think all of the Nazis who signed up in 1929-33 were all intent on wiping out mass segments of the population? Of course not. It was the popular thing to do because the Nazi party was rising. Of course they didn’t really know what Hitler intended. But by the time they understood, it was way too late, because you don’t back out of that kind of organization that was entrenched the way it was by 1938. It started with the Nazis/SS, the Gestapo and it eventually percolated down to the basic levels of the Wehrmacht (yes, the military was much more involved in the mass killings than most people believe, so I don’t give them a free pass like many historians do).
http://stixblog.com Stix

Mat

I agree. But there is a big difference with what Obama wants to do and what Hitler, Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot wants to do. the first thing they dod when they came to power was kill off all the educated and imprison all those that disagreed. I do not think Obama will ever be able to do that here and get away with it. Even his Obamatrons are figuring out that he is not what he says he is. He is a Chicago machine politician that spend half his life in a Black Liberation Theology Church.

Both Germany, Russia and the rest never lived in any kind of Democracy r Republic as we do. They never had the freedoms we have and a strong grasp of individualism. They always lived under the governments thumb.

I do agree we need to fight all we can to defeat the Leftists that are trying to make the USA into a EU Socialist state. But we need to change minds of the mind numbed idiots that think American Idol is more important than what is happening in DC. And just demonizing the Left and the rest will only turn more people off and they will have less interest in it.

What we really need to do is actually quit fighting with each other on the Right and actually fight the Left. Not saying we should not have arguments or do as we do here, but to find the core principles that we on the Right believe in and quit fighting over the minutia.
fuster

No, I think you should continue to refer to the people who voted for Obama as mind-numbed idiots and continue to think that you are above them. It’ll help console you during the coming decade as you wonder why you’re isolated and left to argue with your ever-shrinking band of buddies, those few brilliant minds.
http://blahgwrite.blogspot.com Mat

“I agree. But there is a big difference with what Obama wants to do and what Hitler, Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot wants to do. the first thing they dod when they came to power was kill off all the educated and imprison all those that disagreed. I do not think Obama will ever be able to do that here and get away with it. Even his Obamatrons are figuring out that he is not what he says he is. He is a Chicago machine politician that spend half his life in a Black Liberation Theology Church.”

Well, Obama won’t do it…for the time being. Of course the circumstances are different. America at this point is not what Germany was in 1933. However, given the economic situation, I think that things could go belly up rather fast, so any scenario is possible with this guy. I believe that this guy would take advantage of a really bad situation to declare martial law and keep power.

“Both Germany, Russia and the rest never lived in any kind of Democracy r Republic as we do. They never had the freedoms we have and a strong grasp of individualism. They always lived under the governments thumb.”

Germany had a surprising representative government thoughout the pre-WWI era. They also had the Weimar Republic, which would have probably worked if not for the worldwide economic collapse of the early 30′s. Russia, I’d agree, they were always authoritarian and most likely always will be. As for Britain, they are the originators of individuality and look at how cowed they are right now. Like I said, don’t assume that since this is America, it can’t happen here. It can if the circumstances are ripe.

“I do agree we need to fight all we can to defeat the Leftists that are trying to make the USA into a EU Socialist state. But we need to change minds of the mind numbed idiots that think American Idol is more important than what is happening in DC. And just demonizing the Left and the rest will only turn more people off and they will have less interest in it.”

Well, that’s great and all, but the major question is how will you change those minds? What if they don’t want to be changed? The Left is very seductive in that they promise the earth and the moon. Point of fact, they’re already making those promises and viciously attacking the Right. Therefore, to sit back and take the Left’s attacks is tatamount to surrendering anyway. Somewhere along the line, you’ll have to fight them, politically or otherwise (I’d rather it be politically myself).

“What we really need to do is actually quit fighting with each other on the Right and actually fight the Left. Not saying we should not have arguments or do as we do here, but to find the core principles that we on the Right believe in and quit fighting over the minutia.”

Well, I don’t see us as fighting each other. I think the Right is pretty unified. It’s the silly moderate RINOs that are the problem. And fight those we should because all they want to do is be just like the Left, only slightly less so. Where’s the alternative in that? The Republicans lost last year not because they were conservative, but because they had no message whatsoever. When one candidate has a clear message (even if it’s wrong) and the other has basically static, guess who will win?

I don’t think we’re fighting over minutia. I believe we are fighting for the basics (think Maine Senators and their support of the stimulus package). The RINOs want to become Democrat-Lite. The conservatives want to stay the course. You can’t get any simpler than that.
http://stixblog.com Stix

Mat
I think we definitely agree more than we disagree.

The minutia is more the social issues. I am totally with you on the RINO’s that voted with the Porkulus Bill. The Republicans will never win if they think they need to move to the Left.
http://blahgwrite.blogspot.com Mat

Stix,

You’re probably right regarding the social issues. To me, they’re more sideshow problems. Gay marriage is something that isn’t really high on the totem pole for me. Personally, I’m all for giving them civil unions (with all the legal benefits that go with it), but I think marriage should be a church issue (I’m not religious, nor do I go to church). There is something to the argument that marriage is between a man and woman and I do think there are segments of the gay community (the hard leftists) that are actively trying to tear this country apart socially, though not necessarily all gays.

Same thing with abortion. I think 3rd trimester abortions are pretty sick, but I’m not sure one can force people on this issue. This is one of those issues where you’re probably right about persuasion. I think religious conservatives need to lead by example here rather than pitching fits about it.

There’s another thing I don’t really like about the abortion and gay marriage issues and that’s the fact that conservatives are trying to use government to control peoples’ lives. I’m all for small government, but I don’t think you can say “I’m for small government, but not on this issue.” Either you’re for small government with all the banes and boons, or you’re not.

However, having said all that, I do believe that there are bigger fish to fry, such as defense and our financial situation. Those two alone trump any of the social problems.
http://stixblog.com Stix

Damn I agree 100% with that. Conservative principles is not forcing morality onto someone.

I agree the Church should be where Marriage is done and the Gov should not be part of it. If a Church says Gay marriage is ok, so be it. But for some reason we have Marriage thru the GOV,which is totally opposite of all EU countries.

Same thing with abortion. IN Europe you have 3 months to see if you are preg and 3 months to figure out if you want an abortion or not, after that, no abortions.

The way to change the laws is thru the minds,no making more laws just for laws sake or to force morality. Populism is not a Conservative principle, it is the total opposite, ala Huckabe.

The Government should be for our National Protection, and inter commerce, not how it is done today with the Supreme Court totally destroying what inter commerce was intended to be.