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	<title>Comments on: Surprise! New York Time&#8217;s Kidnapped Journalist A Moron Who Cost A Soldier And Friend Their Lives&#8211;UPDATED</title>
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		<title>By: Tiny_Tim</title>
		<link>http://melissablogs.com/2009/09/10/surprise-new-york-times-kidnapped-journalist-a-moron-who-cost-a-soldier-and-friend-their-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-16777</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiny_Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This triggered the memory of an Atlantic Online article from Feb of 1996 &quot;Why Americans Hate the Media&quot; 

see
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/96feb/media/media.htm

Among other things the article discusses a 1980&#039;s PBS TV series on ethics.  One of the panel discussions was about moral dilemmas on the battlefield.  Military men and journalists had vastly different reactions to the &quot;what-if&quot; questions posed; one of those veered closely to the situation of the journalist referred to above.

When the hypothetical case was &quot;Journalists are given an opportunity to cover a war from the enemy side; they see that the enemy has readied an ambush for US soldiers, and have an opportunity to warn them.  Should they?&quot;  The journalists all decided that they should keep  &quot;covering the story&quot;, and that objective journalism was more important than the lives of their country&#039;s troops.  The soldiers were horrified by that choice and one said bitterly that if these same journalists were to be captured or wounded by the enemy &quot;...they would expect American soldiers to run out under enemy fire and drag them back, rather than leaving them to bleed to death on the battlefield.&quot;  He agreed that he would indeed do so, it&#039;s his job, but &quot;... that is what makes me so contemptuous of them. Marines will die going to get ... a couple of journalists.&quot;   (The word &quot;journalists&quot; enunciated with total disgust)

Panelist New Gingrich (also on the panel) at the time said &quot;The military has done a vastly better job of systematically thinking through the ethics of behavior in a violent environment than the journalists have.&quot;

It&#039;s an interesting article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This triggered the memory of an Atlantic Online article from Feb of 1996 &#8220;Why Americans Hate the Media&#8221; </p>
<p>see<br />
<a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/96feb/media/media.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/96feb/media/media.htm</a></p>
<p>Among other things the article discusses a 1980&#8242;s PBS TV series on ethics.  One of the panel discussions was about moral dilemmas on the battlefield.  Military men and journalists had vastly different reactions to the &#8220;what-if&#8221; questions posed; one of those veered closely to the situation of the journalist referred to above.</p>
<p>When the hypothetical case was &#8220;Journalists are given an opportunity to cover a war from the enemy side; they see that the enemy has readied an ambush for US soldiers, and have an opportunity to warn them.  Should they?&#8221;  The journalists all decided that they should keep  &#8220;covering the story&#8221;, and that objective journalism was more important than the lives of their country&#8217;s troops.  The soldiers were horrified by that choice and one said bitterly that if these same journalists were to be captured or wounded by the enemy &#8220;&#8230;they would expect American soldiers to run out under enemy fire and drag them back, rather than leaving them to bleed to death on the battlefield.&#8221;  He agreed that he would indeed do so, it&#8217;s his job, but &#8220;&#8230; that is what makes me so contemptuous of them. Marines will die going to get &#8230; a couple of journalists.&#8221;   (The word &#8220;journalists&#8221; enunciated with total disgust)</p>
<p>Panelist New Gingrich (also on the panel) at the time said &#8220;The military has done a vastly better job of systematically thinking through the ethics of behavior in a violent environment than the journalists have.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting article.</p>
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		<title>By: 11B40</title>
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		<dc:creator>11B40</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings:

Back in the last &#039;69, I was an infantry squad leader in Viet Nam.  One day, while we were being resupplied by helicopter out in the bush, a camera crew arrived along with the things we needed.
A while later, our Captain came over to me with the crew in tow and asked me if I wanted to take them out on a patrol I was about to leave on.  In one of my proudest moments in the war, I replied, in my New York fashion, with a question, &quot;Do I have to bring them back?&quot;  We went out; they didn’t.

I am profoundly uncomfortable with media involvement in combat operations.  It&#039;s one more thing to worry about when everyone is chock full of worries already.  Nobody goes into a restaurant through the kitchen.  Our combat soldiers deserve similar respect.  Let them do their jobs. Let the media build their résumés on someone else&#039;s work.

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As to Mr. Crittendon&#039;s apologia, it seems to me to fit very well that old bureaucratic saw, &quot;where you stand depends on where you sit&quot;.  Every time I hear journalism referred to as a profession, I think to myself, &quot;So how come there&#039;s no malpractice insurance&quot;.  If my commanding officer sent me to get Mr. Farrell, I would have told him to start the court martial papers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings:</p>
<p>Back in the last &#8217;69, I was an infantry squad leader in Viet Nam.  One day, while we were being resupplied by helicopter out in the bush, a camera crew arrived along with the things we needed.<br />
A while later, our Captain came over to me with the crew in tow and asked me if I wanted to take them out on a patrol I was about to leave on.  In one of my proudest moments in the war, I replied, in my New York fashion, with a question, &#8220;Do I have to bring them back?&#8221;  We went out; they didn’t.</p>
<p>I am profoundly uncomfortable with media involvement in combat operations.  It&#8217;s one more thing to worry about when everyone is chock full of worries already.  Nobody goes into a restaurant through the kitchen.  Our combat soldiers deserve similar respect.  Let them do their jobs. Let the media build their résumés on someone else&#8217;s work.</p>
<p>                                               ***</p>
<p>As to Mr. Crittendon&#8217;s apologia, it seems to me to fit very well that old bureaucratic saw, &#8220;where you stand depends on where you sit&#8221;.  Every time I hear journalism referred to as a profession, I think to myself, &#8220;So how come there&#8217;s no malpractice insurance&#8221;.  If my commanding officer sent me to get Mr. Farrell, I would have told him to start the court martial papers.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you spotted the Telegraph&#039;s story, Melissa, and I hope your post goes viral to further expose the irresponsible imbeciles at the Times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you spotted the Telegraph&#8217;s story, Melissa, and I hope your post goes viral to further expose the irresponsible imbeciles at the Times.</p>
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