Comments on: The Dicey Search For A GOP Savior: The Case Of Paul Ryan http://melissablogs.com/2010/02/09/the-dicey-search-for-a-gop-savior-the-case-of-paul-ryan/ Information Pollination Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:50:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Frank http://melissablogs.com/2010/02/09/the-dicey-search-for-a-gop-savior-the-case-of-paul-ryan/comment-page-1/#comment-18820 Frank Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:06:08 +0000 http://www.melissaclouthier.com/?p=16033#comment-18820 The most irresponsible thing in my lifetime is the statement by Mr. Griffith: "The Dem’s health plan is both paid for and necessary, though it does have a lot of cost shifting." That's the utterance of someone not paying attention. The most irresponsible thing in my lifetime is the statement by Mr. Griffith: “The Dem’s health plan is both paid for and necessary, though it does have a lot of cost shifting.” That’s the utterance of someone not paying attention.

]]> By: aposematic http://melissablogs.com/2010/02/09/the-dicey-search-for-a-gop-savior-the-case-of-paul-ryan/comment-page-1/#comment-18638 aposematic Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:34:59 +0000 http://www.melissaclouthier.com/?p=16033#comment-18638 Humm...Should one not know why Ryan voted the way he did one should not assume it was political or ignorance. I would need more info to form an oppinion for or against Ryan's political future. More McCains may be needed in the military; but, not in the conservative movement. Evil can only be defeated with an unwavering principle of freedom for all peoples. Humm…Should one not know why Ryan voted the way he did one should not assume it was political or ignorance.

I would need more info to form an oppinion for or against Ryan’s political future.

More McCains may be needed in the military; but, not in the conservative movement.

Evil can only be defeated with an unwavering principle of freedom for all peoples.

]]> By: Mr. Griffith http://melissablogs.com/2010/02/09/the-dicey-search-for-a-gop-savior-the-case-of-paul-ryan/comment-page-1/#comment-18626 Mr. Griffith Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:56:18 +0000 http://www.melissaclouthier.com/?p=16033#comment-18626 To the contrary Chalms, The Dem’s health plan is both paid for and necessary, though it does have a lot of cost shifting. I’m reasonably confident that the cost shifting would flesh out to be a major net plus for the American people. Two big picture points: First if healthcare is about 17% of GDP, and 10% of people aren’t covered, then covering them should cost about 1.7% of GDP. There are reasons that this 1.7% overstates the cost (uninsured are often young and healthy, etc..) but even 1.7% is totally doable. Second, we absolutely, positively, need government provided healthcare to be based on so-called “evidence-based” medicine. The Dem’s plan sets the groundwork for this, although it isn’t binding. Better to set the groundwork now, even though you won’t get a pick-up in the CBO numbers. Atul Gawande, McAllen vs El Paso. By the way, the second most irresponsible fiscal action(s) in my lifetime were those two foolish and short-sighted Bush Tax Cuts. Medicare was fine, it just hasn’t been kept actuarially sound. Why? Seniors have politicians by the balls. And I can’t wait until they turn on the Republicans once they realize “fiscal conservative” means cutting their programs. To the contrary Chalms, The Dem’s health plan is both paid for and necessary, though it does have a lot of cost shifting. I’m reasonably confident that the cost shifting would flesh out to be a major net plus for the American people.

Two big picture points: First if healthcare is about 17% of GDP, and 10% of people aren’t covered, then covering them should cost about 1.7% of GDP. There are reasons that this 1.7% overstates the cost (uninsured are often young and healthy, etc..) but even 1.7% is totally doable.

Second, we absolutely, positively, need government provided healthcare to be based on so-called “evidence-based” medicine. The Dem’s plan sets the groundwork for this, although it isn’t binding. Better to set the groundwork now, even though you won’t get a pick-up in the CBO numbers. Atul Gawande, McAllen vs El Paso.

By the way, the second most irresponsible fiscal action(s) in my lifetime were those two foolish and short-sighted Bush Tax Cuts. Medicare was fine, it just hasn’t been kept actuarially sound. Why? Seniors have politicians by the balls. And I can’t wait until they turn on the Republicans once they realize “fiscal conservative” means cutting their programs.

]]> By: Chalmers http://melissablogs.com/2010/02/09/the-dicey-search-for-a-gop-savior-the-case-of-paul-ryan/comment-page-1/#comment-18625 Chalmers Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:30:30 +0000 http://www.melissaclouthier.com/?p=16033#comment-18625 Mr Griffith: It seems to me that there is an interesting list of folks that voted for the Medicare Prescription Drug plan. THAT is the most irresponsible fiscal action taken in your lifetime?!? Why? Possibly because it was the most irresponsible of George W's presidency? $1B was set aside at the time of passage with a cost planned at $400B over 10 years. The projections I have seen are that it will contribute about 25-33% of the Medicare shortfalls in the future. I don't think you were around for LBJ's Medicare debacle in 1965... I would say it isn't the worst because it should very easily be repealed. By the way, isn't the current healthcare legislation worse by a factor of 10 or so? Since the "savings" included really won't materialize, maybe we can get that healthcare done so you can have a new "most irresponsible fiscal event." That is probably a more logical reason to pass the reform than other excuses I have heard... :) Either way, I think I agree with your position that the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act should be repealed and the current Healthcare legislation should be scrapped. Mr Griffith:

It seems to me that there is an interesting list of folks that voted for the Medicare Prescription Drug plan. THAT is the most irresponsible fiscal action taken in your lifetime?!? Why? Possibly because it was the most irresponsible of George W’s presidency? $1B was set aside at the time of passage with a cost planned at $400B over 10 years. The projections I have seen are that it will contribute about 25-33% of the Medicare shortfalls in the future. I don’t think you were around for LBJ’s Medicare debacle in 1965… I would say it isn’t the worst because it should very easily be repealed.

By the way, isn’t the current healthcare legislation worse by a factor of 10 or so? Since the “savings” included really won’t materialize, maybe we can get that healthcare done so you can have a new “most irresponsible fiscal event.” That is probably a more logical reason to pass the reform than other excuses I have heard… :)

Either way, I think I agree with your position that the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act should be repealed and the current Healthcare legislation should be scrapped.

]]> By: Mr. Griffith http://melissablogs.com/2010/02/09/the-dicey-search-for-a-gop-savior-the-case-of-paul-ryan/comment-page-1/#comment-18621 Mr. Griffith Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:10:57 +0000 http://www.melissaclouthier.com/?p=16033#comment-18621 I'll give Paul Ryan credit for at least coming forward with a plan to cut Medicare. That's more than just about everyone else. But he did vote for the unfunded Medicare prescription drug plan, which is probably the single most irresponsible fiscal action taken in my lifetime. I happen to support drug coverage for seniors but we should be actually paying for it. I look forward to this "fiscal conservative" talk by Republicans either getting exposed as nonsense or blowing up in their face. It is appealing rhetoric but an actual plan won't go over very well with the public once they see what it means to them. I’ll give Paul Ryan credit for at least coming forward with a plan to cut Medicare. That’s more than just about everyone else.

But he did vote for the unfunded Medicare prescription drug plan, which is probably the single most irresponsible fiscal action taken in my lifetime. I happen to support drug coverage for seniors but we should be actually paying for it.

I look forward to this “fiscal conservative” talk by Republicans either getting exposed as nonsense or blowing up in their face. It is appealing rhetoric but an actual plan won’t go over very well with the public once they see what it means to them.

]]> By: Chalms http://melissablogs.com/2010/02/09/the-dicey-search-for-a-gop-savior-the-case-of-paul-ryan/comment-page-1/#comment-18619 Chalms Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:12:49 +0000 http://www.melissaclouthier.com/?p=16033#comment-18619 It is ok to have a little more moderate President. The movement toward conservatism in the Legislature is what is important. He is conservative enough to sign conservative bills into law, but he might also be moderate enough to sign liberal bills into law. The key is the Legislature. That is where the conservative reform needs to focus. Not that I would be willing to elect Romney or Huckabee. If one of those is the choice I would rather have Barry with a conservative legislature. It is ok to have a little more moderate President. The movement toward conservatism in the Legislature is what is important. He is conservative enough to sign conservative bills into law, but he might also be moderate enough to sign liberal bills into law.

The key is the Legislature. That is where the conservative reform needs to focus. Not that I would be willing to elect Romney or Huckabee. If one of those is the choice I would rather have Barry with a conservative legislature.

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